Way to exclude processes from a process monitor?

[benro2]

Hi guys, I'm currently running the SMP and GPU2 client at work, but have to run the SMP client out of hours because I need to be able to monitor my CPU usage.

Just wondering, is there a process monitor (preferably that has a CPU usage icon in the taskbar) that would enable me to disable the F@H SMP and GPU2 clients from being included in the total CPU usage percentage? That way, even when they're running full bore, it would appear as though I'm still at 0% CPU. Any ideas?

Also, is there a program that enables GPU monitoring, as in the percentage of GPU being used, sort of like the Windows Task Manager?

[P5-133XL]

Run Folding from a different user (administrator, while you are not), then use task manager, but uncheck the box that says show processes from all users. ATI's CCC shows the % GPU usage in the ATI overdrive section.

[benro2]

Ah, that's a good idea! I'll give that a go.

Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm actually running an Nvidia 8600GT!

[benro2]

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I've just gotten around to trying P5-133XL's suggestion!

Unfortunately, I can't see a way of doing this! Since I'm using Server 2003, I can't "suspend" the current user and login as someone else - so as soon as I login as the local administrator, run the SMP client, then logout, the SMP client is killed!

So, back to my original question, is there a way to simply tell the 4 SMP processes to be excluded from the CPU monitor? Or is there another way to run them from the local admin? Also, in this case, is there away to ensure that the SMP client is started every time I restart the computer (as I understand it cannot be installed as a service)?

And on a side note, how come every time I restart I get a message saying that the beta has expired on Aug 2nd 2008? I've just installed 6.22, configured it, etc... Any ideas?

[benro2]

Edit: OK, I've found how to run it as another user - I've set it up in the Windows Scheduled Tasks to run as the local machine Administrator, which it appears to be doing, however Windows Task Manager is STILL picking up the processes! Under the User Name column I can see "Administrator", and I definitely have the "Show processes from all users" unchecked!

I'm also running the Google Desktop Sidebar, which is what I use to continually monitor CPU usage... and that's what I want to *not* have showing at 100% all the time. Does anyone know if it gets its readings from Windows Task Manager, and also uses it's setting of whether or not to "Show processes from all users"?

[benro2]

I've tried one more thing - I figured that the Task Manager may still show processes that were run by the user "Administrator", even when the Show Processes from all users" checkbox is unchecked, so I created a new local admin user on my machine, logged in under that name, ran install.bat again and the .exe with the -configonly flag, then logged back in as my current user (the domain user I always login as).

I then opened up Scheduled Tasks and added a new task that points to this:
<FAH_install_dir>\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe" -smp -deino

I told it to run as the new admin user I specially created above, told it to run At System Startup (this didn't work last time I checked either), left everything in the Setting tab unchecked, and in the Security tab, added the admin user and gave it Full Control.

It appears to be running OK, although I don't know whether it will return the WU properly (I *think* it did last night as the Administrator user, however). However, I can still see the folding user show up as the user running the processes in Task Manager.

Does anyone know how to stop this from happening? Am I even going about this the correct way - as in setting up a Scheduled Task, etc.? Any way to get it to run automatically on system startup, even if I'm not logged in, if this is possible?

[P5-133XL]

I can tell you that running W2008 Server and creating virtual machines using Hyper-V that the CPU usage of the virtual machines do not appear in task manager of the host machine at all (either performance or process tabs) regardless of user. If you need it the reliability and performance monitor does have counters to monitor the virtual machines however.

I personally have not tried it, but the deino SMP client is supposed to support running as a service (in the advanced config) though not yet supported. The service should automaticly run at startup. You should also be able to pick the user it runs under by modifying the service created. However, I suspect that it has to be the same as the username used for Deino's security (created during its install). If it is running in service mode, you should be able to login and out without affecting the folding processes.

You should be able to check to see if the program is correctly folding, as well as sending and receiving by simply lokin at the FAHlog.txt in your folding directory.

Instructions for running smp as a service:

Hey, I just wanted to let you all know that I just now tried running it as a service and it does work following most of Bruce's advice (I didn't add the -deino flag b/c I don't know what it does, I'm too tired to look it up at the moment, and it works without it.)

In addition to the normal service setup procedure (running the command-line client and specifying that it should be installed as a service,) you need to do the following to make it work. Most of you probably know the details of how to do these, but I included everything for those less experienced with Windows. Of course, before following any of the below instructions, make sure that FAH is NOT running from the folder in question, either as a service or from the console. Check that the FAH process is not running before continuing, as when the cores fail under an incomplete service install, the main FAH process does not exit until you stop the service (which can be done by selecting the service in the below-mentioned MMC snap-in and clicking "stop" or by running "sc stop service-name-here".)

1. Set the service to run as the user you specified in the install. This should obviously NOT be the LOCAL SYSTEM account.
1. a.) Open the SCM MMC snap-in (by running services.msc [requires admin privs, obviously])
1. b.) Right-click the "Folding@home-CPU-[1]" (or similarly named) service and click "Properties" on the context menu.
1. c.) Select the "Log On" tab.
1. d.) Select "This account:".
1. e.) Enter the username and password with which FAH should run. Prefix local account names with ".\" and domain accounts with "domain-name\", where "domain-name" is the name of your domain. Of course, do not include the quotation marks in either format. (If you don't know whether you have a local or domain account and it's your personal computer, it's probably a local account.)
1. f.) Click "OK" to close the properties window. You may or may not see a pop-up informing you that the user has been granted the "Log on as a Service" right. This is normal.

2. Set the -smp flag in the starting parameters for the service
2. a.) Open regedit (such as by typing "regedit" in the run box) This also requires admin privs on the box in question.
2. b.) In the left pane of regedit (the tree,) navigate to:
My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Folding@home-CPU-[1]
2. c.) With Folding@home-CPU-[1] selected in the left pane, right-click "ImagePath" in the right pane and select "Modify"
2. d.) In the "Value data" box, add " -smp" to the end of what is already in there. Leave everything that is already there.

3. Run the service
3. a.) In the above-mentioned SCM MMC snap-in (services.msc,) select the "Folding@home-CPU-[1]" service.
3. b.) Click the "Start" link just to the left of the list of services or right-click the "Folding@home-CPU-[1]" services and select Start.

Within a couple of minutes, F@H should be running successfully on as many cores as you have allowed it to run.

[benro2]

I can tell you that running W2008 Server and creating virtual machines using Hyper-V that the CPU usage of the virtual machines do not appear in task manager of the host machine at all (either performance or process tabs) regardless of user. If you need it the reliability and performance monitor does have counters to monitor the virtual machines however.

I personally have not tried it, but the deino SMP client is supposed to support running as a service (in the advanced config) though not yet supported. The service should automaticly run at startup. You should also be able to pick the user it runs under by modifying the service created. However, I suspect that it has to be the same as the username used for Deino's security (created during its install). If it is running in service mode, you should be able to login and out without affecting the folding processes.

Thanks very much for the help! I'd like to switch to Windows 2008 Server but I think we'll have to wait a while before we're allowed to

As for running the SMP client as a service, I did get it to work briefly, however there are a number of problems:

1. The CPU usage is still monitored, because it looks like anything that is not run as "SYSTEM" (ie: Local System in services.msc) shows up in the Task Manager! I tried running it as this but the service wouldn't start. Is there a way around this?

2. With just the -smp flag, it appeared to only work using one core. However, it appeared to be stable. I downloaded the Deino version. Should I be using this or the MPICH one? What's the difference?

3. I tried adding the -deino flag into the registry and now it doesn't work at all. Every couple of minutes my CPU goes to 100% for a while, and the 4 F@H processes appear for a few seconds (and a second DeinoPM.exe appears while these are running), but if you have a look at my log file below, you can see that it's not actually doing any work!

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--- Opening Log file [August 14 01:11:25 UTC] 


# Windows SMP Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 6.22 SMP Beta2

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2
Service: C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe
Arguments: -svcstart -d C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2 -smp -deino 

Launched as a service.
Entered C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2 to do work.

[01:11:25] - Ask before connecting: No
[01:11:25] - User name: benro2 (Team 24)
[01:11:25] - User ID: 3A197BB32DB728CE
[01:11:25] - Machine ID: 1
[01:11:25] 
[01:11:26] Loaded queue successfully.
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[01:11:26] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:11:26] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:11:26] Core found.
[01:11:26] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:11:26 UTC]
[01:11:26] + Working ...
[01:11:26] 
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[01:11:26] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:11:26] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:11:27] 
[01:11:27] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:11:27] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:11:44] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:11:44] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:11:44] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
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[01:12:03] 
[01:12:03] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:12:03] 
[01:12:03] Entering M.D.
[01:12:14] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:12:14] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:12:19] 
[01:12:19] + Processing work unit
[01:12:19] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:12:19] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:12:19] Core found.
[01:12:19] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:12:19 UTC]
[01:12:19] + Working ...
[01:12:20] 
[01:12:20] *------------------------------*
[01:12:20] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:12:20] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:12:20] 
[01:12:20] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:12:20] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:12:37] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:12:37] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:12:37] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
[01:12:55] - Expanded 4837065 -> 24810145 (decompressed 512.9 percent)
[01:12:56] 
[01:12:56] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:12:56] 
[01:12:57] Entering M.D.
[01:13:08] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:13:08] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:13:13] 
[01:13:13] + Processing work unit
[01:13:13] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:13:13] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:13:13] Core found.
[01:13:13] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:13:13 UTC]
[01:13:13] + Working ...
[01:13:14] 
[01:13:14] *------------------------------*
[01:13:14] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:13:14] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:13:14] 
[01:13:14] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:13:14] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:13:31] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:13:31] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:13:31] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
[01:13:49] - Expanded 4837065 -> 24810145 (decompressed 512.9 percent)
[01:13:50] 
[01:13:50] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:13:50] 
[01:13:51] Entering M.D.
[01:14:02] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:14:02] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:14:02] - Attempting to download new core...
[01:14:02] + Downloading new core: FahCore_a1.exe
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[01:14:46] Verifying core Core_a1.fah...
[01:14:46] Signature is VALID
[01:14:46] 
[01:14:46] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a1.exe
[01:14:47] Decompressed FahCore_a1.exe (2035712 bytes) successfully
[01:14:52] + Core successfully engaged
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[01:14:57] + Processing work unit
[01:14:57] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:14:57] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:14:57] Core found.
[01:14:57] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:14:57 UTC]
[01:14:57] + Working ...
[01:14:58] 
[01:14:58] *------------------------------*
[01:14:58] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:14:58] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:14:58] 
[01:14:58] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:14:58] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:15:15] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:15:15] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:15:15] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
[01:15:34] - Expanded 4837065 -> 24810145 (decompressed 512.9 percent)
[01:15:34] 
[01:15:34] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:15:34] 
[01:15:35] Entering M.D.
[01:15:46] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:15:46] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:15:51] 
[01:15:51] + Processing work unit
[01:15:51] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:15:51] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:15:51] Core found.
[01:15:51] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:15:51 UTC]
[01:15:51] + Working ...
[01:15:51] 
[01:15:51] *------------------------------*
[01:15:51] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:15:51] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:15:51] 
[01:15:51] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:15:51] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:16:09] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:16:09] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:16:09] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
[01:16:27] - Expanded 4837065 -> 24810145 (decompressed 512.9 percent)
[01:16:27] 
[01:16:27] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:16:27] 
[01:16:29] Entering M.D.
[01:16:39] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:16:39] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:16:44] 
[01:16:44] + Processing work unit
[01:16:44] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:16:44] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:16:44] Core found.
[01:16:44] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:16:44 UTC]
[01:16:44] + Working ...
[01:16:45] 
[01:16:45] *------------------------------*
[01:16:45] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:16:45] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:16:45] 
[01:16:45] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:16:45] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:17:02] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:17:02] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:17:02] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.
[01:17:20] - Expanded 4837065 -> 24810145 (decompressed 512.9 percent)
[01:17:21] 
[01:17:21] Project: 2665 (Run 2, Clone 738, Gen 39)
[01:17:21] 
[01:17:22] Entering M.D.
[01:17:31] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[01:17:31] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[01:17:31] - Attempting to download new core...
[01:17:31] + Downloading new core: FahCore_a1.exe
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[01:18:28] Verifying core Core_a1.fah...
[01:18:28] Signature is VALID
[01:18:28] 
[01:18:28] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a1.exe
[01:18:28] Decompressed FahCore_a1.exe (2035712 bytes) successfully
[01:18:33] + Core successfully engaged
[01:18:38] 
[01:18:38] + Processing work unit
[01:18:38] Work type a1 not eligible for variable processors
[01:18:38] Core required: FahCore_a1.exe
[01:18:38] Core found.
[01:18:38] Working on queue slot 01 [August 14 01:18:38 UTC]
[01:18:38] + Working ...
[01:18:39] 
[01:18:39] *------------------------------*
[01:18:39] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[01:18:39] Version 1.74 (March 10, 2007)
[01:18:39] 
[01:18:39] Preparing to commence simulation
[01:18:39] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[01:18:56] - Looking at optimizations...
[01:18:56] - Working with standard loops on this execution.
[01:18:56] Examination of work files indicates 8 consecutive improper terminations of core.

[codysluder]

2. With just the -smp flag, it appeared to only work using one core. However, it appeared to be stable. I downloaded the Deino version. Should I be using this or the MPICH one? What's the difference?

3. I tried adding the -deino flag into the registry and now it doesn't work at all. Every couple of minutes my CPU goes to 100% for a while, and the 4 F@H processes appear for a few seconds (and a second DeinoPM.exe appears while these are running), but if you have a look at my log file below, you can see that it's not actually doing any work!

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Arguments: -svcstart -d C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2 -smp -deino 

I'll bet that your problems are related to the edits you made to the registry. I'm only guessing here, but notice that the - 2 is not treated as a new parameter and that there are no quote marks so it's not clear to me where the -d string ends. I suppose it's the very end of the string so -smp and -deino are not being processed a parameters. (That also explains why you're only using one core.) What happens if you change it to

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-svcstart -smp -deino -d C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2

or perhaps to

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-smp -deino -svcstart -d C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2

Remember: When they say something isn't supported, a number of strange things may happen when you try to run it.

EDIT: Even better: Put "-smp -deino" into the extra parameters field at the end of the advanced client configuration procedure.

[benro2]

OK, I'm not sure how the arguments got like that in the log file! This is exactly what I've got in the ImagePath in the registry:

C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -svcstart -d "C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2"

Like you said, I tried putting -smp -deino into the extra paramaters field at the end of the config procedure, so in doing so, should I remove them from the ImagePath in the registry? Before making this change, I had this:

C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -svcstart -d "C:\Folding@Home Windows SMP Client V1.01 - 2" -smp -deino

The original instructions for setting the SMP client up as a service said not to change anything that was already there (in the registry):
"2. d.) In the "Value data" box, add " -smp" to the end of what is already in there. Leave everything that is already there."

I swear the line I copy/pasted at the top is what was originally there! Do I still need to change it? What about the additional parameters from the config procedure? Do I need to remove those if I insert the parameters into the registry, as per the 2d) above?