Final Credit estimate = what you really get?

CaR · Post by **CaR** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:32 pm

Hi, more a curiosity and a "FIRST WORLD problem" - points and credits are not the main goal here of course, just trying to understand how this works, behind the curtain.
I had many WUs completed, with a base credit lets say 700 (Estimated 2971 cpu) or based credit 16339 (estimated 82076 gpu) - never bigger numbers than these

Once completed and correctly uploaded, I get less than the base credit most of the time, even if the final confirmation Estimated CREDITS was the biggest number of the two

some code

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17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:******************************** Build - libFAH ********************************
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:    Version: 0.0.18
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:     Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:  Copyright: 2019 foldingathome.org
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:   Homepage: https://foldingathome.org/
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:       Date: Oct 26 2019
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:       Time: 01:52:30
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:   Revision: c1e3513b1bc0c16013668f2173ee969e5995b38e
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:     Branch: master
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:   Compiler: Visual C++ 2008
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:    Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /wd4297 /wd4103 /Ox /MT
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:   Platform: win32 10
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:       Bits: 64
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:       Mode: Release
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:************************************ Build *************************************
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:       SIMD: avx_256
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:********************************************************************************
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Project: 13851 (Run 0, Clone 304, Gen 36)
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Unit: 0x00000033287234c95e7258c355ef3805
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Reading tar file core.xml
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Reading tar file frame36.tpr
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Digital signatures verified
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Calling: mdrun -s frame36.tpr -o frame36.trr -x frame36.xtc -e frame36.edr -cpt 15 -nt 6
17:02:23:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Steps: first=18000000 total=500000
17:02:25:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Completed 1 out of 500000 steps (0%)
17:02:26:WU00:FS00:Upload 52.61%
17:02:30:WU00:FS00:Upload complete
17:02:30:WU00:FS00:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
17:02:30:WU00:FS00:Final credit estimate, 2947.00 points
17:02:30:WU00:FS00:Cleaning up
17:02:55:WU02:FS01:Upload 0.85%
17:03:01:WU02:FS01:Upload 19.54%
17:03:07:WU02:FS01:Upload 39.65%
17:03:13:WU02:FS01:Upload 59.47%
17:03:19:WU02:FS01:Upload 79.57%
17:03:22:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 65.254.110.245:8080
17:03:22:WARNING:WU03:FS01:Failed to get assignment from '65.254.110.245:8080': No WUs available for this configuration
17:03:22:WU03:FS01:Connecting to 18.218.241.186:80
17:03:22:WARNING:WU03:FS01:Failed to get assignment from '18.218.241.186:80': No WUs available for this configuration
17:03:22:ERROR:WU03:FS01:Exception: Could not get an assignment
17:03:25:WU02:FS01:Upload 99.11%
17:03:25:WU02:FS01:Upload complete
17:03:26:WU02:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
17:03:26:WU02:FS01:Final credit estimate, 81275.00 points
17:03:26:WU02:FS01:Cleaning up

basically two wu uploaded at the same time, summed were around 85000, but in the end I had a merely 16000

thanks for keeping this project alive, while I'm wondering about these small cosmetic little issue

KEEP GOING F@H

CaR

BobWilliams757 · Post by **BobWilliams757** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:08 pm

If you aren't using a passkey, you will get only base credits.

If you are using a passkey, you will get a Quick Return Bonus based on how quickly the WU's are done. This should be in line with the estimated credits that show in your logs. BUT those QRB points don't show up until you have successfully completed 10 work units. I think there is also a requirement for a percentage of started WU's be completed.

In short, if you have no passkey you will get few points. If you have a passkey and have just entered it recently, the points will come.

Neil-B · Post by **Neil-B** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:12 pm

See https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/points/ for a description of how FAH Points work - you will note to get the QRB you need to meet certain requirements … You can check details of any Project (Base Points, Timeout, Expiry Deadline) here https://apps.foldingathome.org/psummary ... and you can check your Bonus Status here https://apps.foldingathome.org/bonus

Post by **bruce** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:25 pm

One more reason you migh be getting base points with no QuickReturn Bonus: If you fail to return the WU before the Timeout, you will not get a bonus. It doesn't matter why it wasn't returned before the Timeout.

1) Your hardware is slow and the WU was big.
2) Your hardware wasn't folding 24x7
3) My client had to retry the upload many times.

Item 2 is your responsibility. Items 1 and 3 can legitimately be blamed on FAH.

Item 3 is a known problem. Some steps have been take to improve that situation. The problem has not been totally solved and I expect further improvments "soon"

Item 1 is a joint issue. Describe your hardware, the Project being folded, and the total processing time. We'll investigate and see if anything can be done about it.

Neil-B · Post by **Neil-B** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:30 pm

I am a little intrigued when you say you get less than base credit most of the time … I am in no way an expert but if a WU is returned after Timeout and before deadline and isn't faulty I thought you would get the base points … I am sure someone who knows better than I can clarify this.

Post by **bruce** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:34 pm

I'm also intrigued by that statement.

@CaR Please give us the PRCG numbers of the WU where that happened.

CaR · Post by **CaR** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:08 pm

Hi guys, thanks for prompt response everybody,

I've a passkey, more than 60 wus completed. I guess my system is not super powerful, and no I'm not folding 24/7, just during work time, around 12hrs a day.

my system:
CPU Intel (R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz - 32gb ram
CPUs 8
GPUs 1 NVIDIA: 6 GMS204 (GeForce GTX 970 - 3494

Rebooting the app seems solving the UPLOAD issues bugging me since 3 days. The Base credit/estimated on are reducing during the entire process. After receiving the UPLOAD COMPLETE and the ESTIMATED Credit (usually the maximum) does not corrispond of what is updated on persona stat/team.

The latest code I've got is above. And the received credit are closer to the base than the "big" estimated one.

For my configuration I'll keep having usually a max 6000 estimated (base 1000) on CPU, and a 85k estimated on Gpu (16k base)

Know no more than this,

thanks guys,
keep folding (let's just stop before SKYNET became self aware)
CaR

Post by **PantherX** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:31 pm

Welcome to the F@H Forum CaR,

Can you please post your log file. Ensure that you have copied the System configuration which is present at the start of the log file: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=26036

Rel25917 · Post by **Rel25917** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:43 am

Assuming CaR is the name you are folding under the last 2 units returned by you both show no bonus. Both were returned in time to receive a bonus. Go to https://apps.foldingathome.org/bonus to make sure your passkey is qualified. You may be failing units or not returning some on time. Post up a log per PantherX's post above.

CaR · Post by **CaR** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:10 am

Hi yes, CaR is my nick and I guess there are many of them (too late when I discovered, in my page there're other team received points and wu in the past)
The app https://apps.foldingathome.org/bonus does not work using my nick and passkey not sure why.

latest code for latest wu on my cpu (base credit 525 for 3 hours sic! and estimated 1728

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07:25:10:WARNING:WU01:FS01:WorkServer connection failed on port 8080 trying 80
07:25:10:WU01:FS01:Connecting to 13.82.98.119:80
07:25:40:WU01:FS01:Downloading 12.97MiB
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Download complete
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Received Unit: id:01 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:14549 run:0 clone:1033 gen:23 core:0x22 unit:0x0000001d0d5262775e863e370c7fad85
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Starting
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Roaming\FAHClient\cores/cores.foldingathome.org/v7/win/64bit/Core_22.fah/FahCore_22.exe -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 705 -lifeline 2948 -checkpoint 15 -gpu-vendor nvidia -opencl-platform 0 -opencl-device 0 -cuda-device 0 -gpu 0
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 14236
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:Core PID:8076
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:FahCore 0x22 started
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:*********************** Log Started 2020-04-18T07:25:44Z ***********************
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:*************************** Core22 Folding@home Core ***************************
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Type: 0x22
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Core: Core22
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:    Website: https://foldingathome.org/
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:  Copyright: (c) 2009-2018 foldingathome.org
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:     Author: John Chodera <john.chodera@choderalab.org> and Rafal Wiewiora
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:             <rafal.wiewiora@choderalab.org>
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Args: -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 705 -lifeline 14236 -checkpoint 15
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:             -gpu-vendor nvidia -opencl-platform 0 -opencl-device 0 -cuda-device
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:             0 -gpu 0
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:     Config: <none>
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:************************************ Build *************************************
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:    Version: 0.0.2
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Date: Dec 6 2019
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Time: 21:30:31
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22: Repository: Git
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:   Revision: abeb39247cc72df5af0f63723edafadb23d5dfbe
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:     Branch: HEAD
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:   Compiler: Visual C++ 2008
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:    Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /wd4297 /wd4103 /Ox /MT
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:   Platform: win32 10
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Bits: 64
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       Mode: Release
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:************************************ System ************************************
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:        CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:     CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:       CPUs: 8
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:     Memory: 31.96GiB
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Free Memory: 27.93GiB
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:    Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22: OS Version: 6.2
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Has Battery: false
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22: On Battery: false
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22: UTC Offset: 1
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:        PID: 8076
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:        CWD: C:\Users\xxxxx\AppData\Roaming\FAHClient\work
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:         OS: Windows 10 Home
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:    OS Arch: AMD64
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:********************************************************************************
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Project: 14549 (Run 0, Clone 1033, Gen 23)
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Unit: 0x0000001d0d5262775e863e370c7fad85
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Reading tar file core.xml
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Reading tar file integrator.xml
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Reading tar file state.xml
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Reading tar file system.xml
07:25:44:WU01:FS01:0x22:Digital signatures verified
07:25:45:WU01:FS01:0x22:Folding@home GPU Core22 Folding@home Core
07:25:45:WU01:FS01:0x22:Version 0.0.2
07:25:48:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 0 out of 8000000 steps (0%)
07:25:48:WU01:FS01:0x22:Temperature control disabled. Requirements: single Nvidia GPU, tmax must be < 110 and twait >= 900
07:25:55:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 175000 out of 250000 steps (70%)
07:27:19:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 177500 out of 250000 steps (71%)
07:28:32:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 80000 out of 8000000 steps (1%)
07:28:41:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 180000 out of 250000 steps (72%)
07:30:04:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 182500 out of 250000 steps (73%)
07:31:18:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 160000 out of 8000000 steps (2%)
07:31:29:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 185000 out of 250000 steps (74%)
07:32:51:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 187500 out of 250000 steps (75%)
07:34:02:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 240000 out of 8000000 steps (3%)
07:34:17:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 190000 out of 250000 steps (76%)
07:35:40:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 192500 out of 250000 steps (77%)
07:36:47:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 320000 out of 8000000 steps (4%)
07:37:03:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 195000 out of 250000 steps (78%)
07:38:26:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 197500 out of 250000 steps (79%)
07:39:31:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 400000 out of 8000000 steps (5%)
07:39:48:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 200000 out of 250000 steps (80%)
07:41:11:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 202500 out of 250000 steps (81%)
07:42:16:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 480000 out of 8000000 steps (6%)
07:42:34:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 205000 out of 250000 steps (82%)
07:43:57:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 207500 out of 250000 steps (83%)
07:45:02:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 560000 out of 8000000 steps (7%)
07:45:22:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 210000 out of 250000 steps (84%)
07:46:45:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 212500 out of 250000 steps (85%)
07:47:47:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 640000 out of 8000000 steps (8%)
07:48:08:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 215000 out of 250000 steps (86%)
07:49:36:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 217500 out of 250000 steps (87%)
07:50:34:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 720000 out of 8000000 steps (9%)
07:50:59:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 220000 out of 250000 steps (88%)
07:52:22:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 222500 out of 250000 steps (89%)
07:53:19:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 800000 out of 8000000 steps (10%)
07:53:45:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 225000 out of 250000 steps (90%)
07:55:08:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 227500 out of 250000 steps (91%)
07:56:05:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 880000 out of 8000000 steps (11%)
07:56:30:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 230000 out of 250000 steps (92%)
07:58:00:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 232500 out of 250000 steps (93%)
07:58:57:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 960000 out of 8000000 steps (12%)
07:59:27:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 235000 out of 250000 steps (94%)
08:01:07:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 237500 out of 250000 steps (95%)
08:01:51:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 1040000 out of 8000000 steps (13%)
08:02:37:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 240000 out of 250000 steps (96%)
08:04:00:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 242500 out of 250000 steps (97%)
08:04:38:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 1120000 out of 8000000 steps (14%)
08:05:24:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 245000 out of 250000 steps (98%)
08:06:48:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps (99%)
08:06:48:WU02:FS00:Connecting to 65.254.110.245:8080
08:06:48:WARNING:WU02:FS00:Failed to get assignment from '65.254.110.245:8080': No WUs available for this configuration
08:06:48:WU02:FS00:Connecting to 18.218.241.186:80
08:06:49:WU02:FS00:Assigned to work server 13.82.98.119
08:06:49:WU02:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: RUNNING cpu:8 from 13.82.98.119
08:06:49:WU02:FS00:Connecting to 13.82.98.119:8080
08:07:27:WU01:FS01:0x22:Completed 1200000 out of 8000000 steps (15%)
08:08:11:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 250000 out of 250000 steps (100%)
08:08:14:WU00:FS00:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
08:08:14:WU00:FS00:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:16422 run:2493 clone:0 gen:48 core:0xa7 unit:0x0000003396880e6e5e8bdd2b3873b0a9
08:08:15:WU00:FS00:Uploading 2.65MiB to 150.136.14.110
08:08:15:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 150.136.14.110:8080
08:08:19:WU00:FS00:Upload complete
08:08:19:WU00:FS00:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
08:08:19:WU00:FS00:Final credit estimate, 1728.00 points
08:08:19:WU00:FS00:Cleaning up

Uploaded and estimated 1728, but surely it will give me just those 525,

thanks for looking into this guys

,
CaR

Post by **PantherX** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:25 am

Can you please ensure that the passkey doesn't have any typo. That site which informs you of the passkey status should work for all donors. I checked the most recent WU submitted and it seems that you're not getting bonus points. Have you already folded 10 WUs using the same username/passkey combination?

CaR · Post by **CaR** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:11 am

Yes indeed 64 at the moment since I started on my only team https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/CaR
those other one, done previously but some other car maybe the issue? since 3 of 8 are under 10 WUs? not sure

Pass is exactly the first saved on my chrome and used on the client FAH control. I tested a retrieve passkey to triple check, and I received a new one, is that right?
cheers
CaR

Post by **PantherX** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:14 am

CaR wrote:...I tested a retrieve passkey to triple check, and I received a new one, is that right?...

If you entered the same username and email address, you should be emailed the same passkey. If not, then there's a possibility that there's a typo or different detail provided.

CaR · Post by **CaR** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:18 am

PantherX wrote:
CaR wrote:...I tested a retrieve passkey to triple check, and I received a new one, is that right?...
If you entered the same username and email address, you should be emailed the same passkey. If not, then there's a possibility that there's a typo or different detail provided.

put same name CaR and same only mail I use. (any issue if I put nickname lowercase?)

Original passkey
9xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx3
new one
8xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx2

not sure why they're different. In 4 hours I can retrieve it again and check if it matches the second one.

Question any trick to see the hidden passkey I used in the client software, locally? any dox, txt, xml where it's saved?

many thanks,
CaR

edit.: Plus not CaR/original passkey nor CaR/new passkey WORKS on the bonus check app page

Post by **PantherX** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:24 am

CaR wrote:...Question any trick to see the hidden passkey I used in the client software, locally? any dox, txt, xml where it's saved?...

Yes, here you go:
C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Roaming\FAHClient\config.xml

It is best if you simply read it and not make changes as the client is very pedantic about formatting.

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