F@H vs BOINC & Rosetta@home ; using GPU

[vertigo]

Trying to donate some computer time to the COVID-19 calculations, but I have some questions, both specific to that and about folding in general:

1) Since there are different folding groups, does that mean there's overlap and therefore wasted resources in doing calculations?
2) In trying to ascertain the differences between the three, I've seen comments about how F@H isn't open, and therefore you can't be sure what your computer is actually doing (one comment even suggested you may simply be mining cryptocurrency). While I doubt Stanford would be involved in deceit like that, is there any assurance that you're actually doing what it says you are?
3) I've seen some people recommend using F@H with GPU and one of the others with CPU, since they're CPU-only. Is there any reason to do this vs just using F@H for both?
4) I have an i7-7820x, which is a very powerful CPU, and a GTX 770, which is a somewhat older GPU. I would have thought the i7 would be much faster, but looking around I'm suspecting that's probably not actually the case, and in fact quite the opposite. Is there a way to tell how the two would compare -- i.e. an estimate of how much work each could do per day, not to mention per watt -- and how do I set it to use the GPU? It shows as a slot and says ready, but I can't figure out how to get it to do anything. The status says "Download" if that matters.
5) Is there any way to set it to medium power when the computer is in use and full power when idle?

Edited to remove a couple questions I figured out.

[jonault]

1) Since there are different folding groups, does that mean there's overlap and therefore wasted resources in doing calculations?

Maybe? There might be different groups out there doing the same general thing, but it would be a heck of a coincidence if they were doing exactly the same thing.

2) In trying to ascertain the differences between the three, I've seen comments about how F@H isn't open, and therefore you can't be sure what your computer is actually doing (one comment even suggested you may simply be mining cryptocurrency). While I doubt Stanford would be involved in deceit like that, is there any assurance that you're actually doing what it says you are?

Here's a list of research results produced by Folding@Home. Hundreds of papers. The people who think it's a front for cryptocurrency mining are probably the same paranoid jackasses who think Corona virus is all a hoax.

3) I've seen some people recommend using F@H with GPU and one of the others with CPU, since they're CPU-only. Is there any reason to do this vs just using F@H for both?

Some folks were recommending splitting things up that way due to the shortage of Folding@Home work units; by running two different types of distributed computing you increased the chances that your computer would be doing something. It's a little early to tell, but I'm on track to get over 3 million points today; it'll be the first time in over two weeks. So they may be turning the corner on the shortage problem. But if you want to do that, go for it.

4) I have an i7-7820x, which is a very powerful CPU, and a GTX 770, which is a somewhat older GPU. I would have thought the i7 would be much faster, but looking around I'm suspecting that's probably not actually the case, and in fact quite the opposite. Is there a way to tell how the two would compare -- i.e. an estimate of how much work each could do per day, not to mention per watt -- and how do I set it to use the GPU? It shows as a slot and says ready, but I can't figure out how to get it to do anything. The status says "Download" if that matters.

GPUs earn more points than CPUs, but they do different kinds of work. I have 4 GPU slots & 3 CPU slots, and I'd say 95% of my points are from the GPUs. But I still run the CPU slots - they do some things that the GPUs can't. As for points per watt, newer hardware does better on power efficiency than older hardware. If electricity costs are a significant concern for you, it's worth comparing the costs of running an old card vs a new one. I recently replaced a GTX970 with a GTX1660 Super because in 2 years the savings in electricity would pay for the card and it would do twice as much work.

5) Is there any way to set it to medium power when the computer is in use and full power when idle?

Automatically? Not that I'm aware of.

[ToeBlister]

1) Since there are different folding groups, does that mean there's overlap and therefore wasted resources in doing calculations?
I am going to assume you meant Folding@Home (F@H) folders/teams.
There is no overlap in the Work Units (WUs) sent to each folder. Every project is split into WUs that is easier for folders to compute. Each of those WUs.

2) In trying to ascertain the differences between the three, I've seen comments about how F@H isn't open, and therefore you can't be sure what your computer is actually doing (one comment even suggested you may simply be mining cryptocurrency). While I doubt Stanford would be involved in deceit like that, is there any assurance that you're actually doing what it says you are?
BOINC = Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing. It is a software that host other crowd-sourced computing projects, e.g. SETI@Home, DENIS@Home, World Community Grid etc.
Difference between Rosetta & F@H is explained by one of F@H scientist here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/c ... dium=web2x
Cyptocurrency is not endorsed by F@H. Read here: https://foldingathome.org/2019/01/14/fo ... urrencies/
Doubt a whole bunch of scientists and universities will use a ruse to get volunteers to mine for them and tarnishing their work and reputations.

3) I've seen some people recommend using F@H with GPU and one of the others with CPU, since they're CPU-only. Is there any reason to do this vs just using F@H for both?
Not sure. Maybe the COVID19 outbreak, there weren't many CPU WUs so folders direct their CPUs to other projects.

4) I have an i7-7820x, which is a very powerful CPU, and a GTX 770, which is a somewhat older GPU. I would have thought the i7 would be much faster, but looking around I'm suspecting that's probably not actually the case, and in fact quite the opposite. Is there a way to tell how the two would compare -- i.e. an estimate of how much work each could do per day, not to mention per watt -- and how do I set it to use the GPU? It shows as a slot and says ready, but I can't figure out how to get it to do anything. The status says "Download" if that matters.
GPU is will compute much faster compared to CPU assuming the WUs is set up for both. (Certain WUs are CPU only because of the way the simulation is designed to run.)
A very simplified way to look at is 7820x has 8c 8t but GTX 770 has 1536 compute units. Much larger.
But I recalled reading earlier that older cards do not have double precision and it cannot run newer WUs. Not sure if it applied to GTX 770.

5) Is there any way to set it to medium power when the computer is in use and full power when idle?
Can't help on this. Mine is 100%

[jonault]

As for your GPU status being stuck on "Download", post your log file and we can see if you have a configuration problem interfering with downloading a work unit.

[vertigo]

Thanks for the answers, makes sense about splitting the work due to workload shortages.

I am going to assume you meant Folding@Home (F@H) folders/teams.
There is no overlap in the Work Units (WUs) sent to each folder. Every project is split into WUs that is easier for folders to compute. Each of those WUs.

I meant distributed computing groups, i.e. might people be doing calculations for F@H that other people are doing for BOINC or Rosetta, therefore being wasteful. IOW, I was trying to figure out if both groups are doing the same work with different software, but AFAICT based on what I've read, including one of your links, it seems not. Apparently F@H does a much finer, step-by-step analysis, whereas Rosetta simply makes a bunch of assumptions to evaluate things on a larger scale. So I guess it just depends on which approach is "better," if either is, since it's likely they each have their pros and cons and each contribute in their own way.

A very simplified way to look at is 7820x has 8c 8t but GTX 770 has 1536 compute units. Much larger.
But I recalled reading earlier that older cards do not have double precision and it cannot run newer WUs. Not sure if it applied to GTX 770.

Yeah, I understand the concept, but there has to be a balance point somewhere, where despite the lower number of cores, the amount of work done by each core is greater/faster than that done by the GPU cores, similar to a slower frequency CPU with higher IPC being faster than one running at a higher frequency but with lower IPC. It would be nice to have some sort of benchmark to be able to determine the difference. As for whether the 770 falls into that category you mentioned, I would think the software would say it's not compatible, instead of showing the status as "Ready." It would also be nice if there was a list of supported GPUs.

So it looks like where I stand right now is that while I'd like to help, it seems wasteful to use the CPU when the GPU would be (much?) more efficient, but I don't know how to get it to use the GPU.

[vertigo]

Looks like it's trying but there's no work for the GPU?

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[jonault]

Yeah, looks that way. The only potential issue might be the video drivers; make sure you're running drivers downloaded from NVIDIA, not the ones from Windows Update.

[vertigo]

Ok. Pretty sure they are from WU, so downloading Nvidia drivers now to try. Thanks!

[CaptainStarbuck]

Just to chime in - I've been wondering abour running BOINC and F@H at the same time. I'm sure there will be a heavy load on the system but I'm OK with that during idle time. I just don't want them choking one another for resources. It would be ideal if there were collaboration between the apps so that one would not attempt to process a WU if the other is crunching. They're not the same, but they don't need to compete.

[Neil-B]

I think I spotted that you are using 15cores in your cpu slot ... that may not be a factor in the waiting for a GPU download situation but if you search for "prime" or "large prime" you will should find a number of threads with detailed explanations of why this is not necessarily a good idea (I will own up to occasionally running 30cores which has the same potential issues) ... most wisdom seems to be to set the slot at 12cores - sometimes with a second 3core slot (if processor fast enough to turn those round within timeout - but if 15cores working fine for you with no errors ignore me

Added bonus of doing this may be that the are a number Projects pushing out of max 12core limited WUs.

[Jonazz]

This is actually a very interesting question. I'm just a regular folder like yourself, but let me add my $0.02

First of all, FAH is screening thousands of molecules (which already exist) to test whether they have any effect on treating COVID-19 patients. They hope to find one which can be given to patients relatively quick once any effect is discovered.

Rosetta@Home is looking for antiviral proteins (You can also help by solving puzzles using Foldit) who bind to one of the Coronavirus proteins. FAH is simulating the folding process of COVID-19 proteins (like the spike protein) and are searching for any 'weaknesses' during this folding process. If such a weakness is found, new drugs could be made to treat patients. The difference with Rosetta is that Rosetta only works with the final structure of a protein.
FAH has done something similar for the Ebola virus: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.abstract

In the long term, the Rosetta@Home team hopes to create a universal Coronavirus vaccine (they're doing the same for a universal flu vaccine).

They're really both doing amazing things. And whether you're running FAH or RAH, you can always download Foldit and help create an antiviral protein.That way your contribution doubles!

Both teams answered a bunch of questions during an AMA on reddit. You should check them out.

[jonault]

Just to chime in - I've been wondering abour running BOINC and F@H at the same time. I'm sure there will be a heavy load on the system but I'm OK with that during idle time. I just don't want them choking one another for resources. It would be ideal if there were collaboration between the apps so that one would not attempt to process a WU if the other is crunching. They're not the same, but they don't need to compete.

The recommended configuration is to run one program on the CPU & the other on the GPU so they don't interfere with each other. And under normal circumstances both programs would have work available 100% of the time so any "collaboration" to avoid running at the same time on the same processor would result in one of them not running at all. Better to just pick one & stick with it.

[vertigo]

I think I spotted that you are using 15cores in your cpu slot ... that may not be a factor in the waiting for a GPU download situation but if you search for "prime" or "large prime" you will should find a number of threads with detailed explanations of why this is not necessarily a good idea (I will own up to occasionally running 30cores which has the same potential issues) ... most wisdom seems to be to set the slot at 12cores - sometimes with a second 3core slot (if processor fast enough to turn those round within timeout - but if 15cores working fine for you with no errors ignore me

Added bonus of doing this may be that the are a number Projects pushing out of max 12core limited WUs.

It's set to choose the number of threads automatically, so I assume it's using what's most efficient.

I installed the driver from nvidia--which unfortunately also forced a reboot which I was not prepared for, so that sucked--and so far it doesn't seem to have fixed the problem. One other small issue with the program I found due to that, though, was that I had hit the finish button, so it stopped working after it finished the WU it was on, but when I restarted, it went back to work on a new WU. When paused, it doesn't do this, and so ideally the software should treat "finish" the same. IOW, when the program starts automatically with Windows, it should resume the previous state, i.e. only going to work if it was working when the computer was shut down or restarted.

[vertigo]

Just to chime in - I've been wondering abour running BOINC and F@H at the same time. I'm sure there will be a heavy load on the system but I'm OK with that during idle time. I just don't want them choking one another for resources. It would be ideal if there were collaboration between the apps so that one would not attempt to process a WU if the other is crunching. They're not the same, but they don't need to compete.

+1 to what jonault said. As the FAQ says, it's much better to finish a WU in less time than to finish two WUs in twice that time. So the same would apply for splitting work between the two folding programs. However, if you want to do this, just go through task manager and set the affinity for each process so they will only run on the cores/threads you designate. Another option, though not as good, would be to run them in VMs, where each VM only has access to a certain number of threads. And of course you could set the priority of one higher than the other, but that will cause the higher priority one to simply take up more CPU resources and choke the other one out, though it will allow the other one to step in and get to work if/when the higher priority one runs out of work to do.

[Neil-B]

The automatic setting simply takes the CPUs available and reduces this by one for each GPU slot (may be card) iirc … This may be legacy behaviour from days when high core counts were rare - but as I understand it the automated process doesn't take into account the "larger primes issue" and so can create slots that might not work particularly well … Hence why I mentioned it - there are a number of threads that explain this way better than I can - a search on large prime across the forum show quickly find you one and instructions on how to reconfigure the slots … but if not causing you issues at the moment then ignore this.