Prove it

[MtM]

Grandpa_01 I wasn't implying you are here for the fun of competing, I pointed out you were able to display your enjoyment even through all the current events, I took you as example because it was obvious you're the right person to take as example here. That your enjoyment has another source, doesn't mean you're having less joy and that you just proved.

I'm here because of the same reason, or reasons as Bruce's source of enjoyment is also coupled to the reason he's here. Seems we need some posts from people who are 'just here for the points', we're not really a good demographic if we're all here for the same reason

So, who is here for another reason then 'the cure!'? Will anyone step up to the plate and share their viewpoint? With all the reads this thread gets it must be possible to get a person not ashamed for being here primarily for the competition's sake, it could help to hear from him/her what is the main fun factor ( points is broad, maybe we'll be able to narrow it down abit ).

@ChasR, I read before you feel that the value of the work you do/done in the past is decreased by the increased attribution of value with quicker returns yes? I don't understand it, I'm respecting your opinion, but I think I asked you before: it is the same value being attributed now as when you earned your 'old' points but now correctly representing the added value of quick returns. In my opinion, the only thing this new approach decreases is the attributions made which clearly contradict the now known tie between time and worth of a work unit ( meaning those people who inflated their ppd with running dual smp's ). Why do you insist points need to be linear to performance and not exponential, why shouldn't the reward grow according to the scientific benefit? If you don't mind, answer me in pm so this thread can maybe concentrate abit more on the fun factor instead of probably rehashing what I might have missed in the other threads? And I'm curious to your reasoning, but I think since I feel you been here long enough to have heard anything I could have to say so I won't try and convince you of my position, I just want to understand yours.

I would really enjoy it if we were able to get a voice in here representing those who are here without a particular personal tie to the project's goals, one who can share some of his thoughts on fun as I'm sure it's different then what we have already. The problem is that I don't really know anyone like that, as most people vocally present ( allowed to use that describing a 'silent' message board..? ) here are from the same opposite encampment.

[Napoleon]

Peace, please.

As shown in my sig, I'm just a classic & GPU folder, and not much of a folder anyway:


So why do I bother to comment on QRB discussions, let alone create a separate thread about it? Let the guesswork begin.

[Slash_2CPU]

In fact, the whole idea of people getting bent over points is very facetious. What are you saving them up for? You can't spend them on anything and they are not transferable. They may as well be monopoly money.

By that same argument maybe you'd recommend removing the points system entirely since in your opinion they're not worth anything. Then people wouldn't get bent over points because there wouldn't be any and the forum would be a lot more hospitable. Either they're important enough to fix or they're not important enough to fix. Choose one and state your recommendation.

To fix or not fix something is an intrinsically flawed debate, as it implies it is broken when in fact it is not.

The points system provides an incentive(imaginary and valueless as it may be) for donors to provide hardware of a type most needed by the project. It gives PG at least a little ability to affect what kinds of systems the big-time participants build while keeping the single-box folders placated as well.

Is it reasonable to expect the same pat on the back running a Pentium D you already owned as the guy running the 48-core Opteron box that cost him $5k and 3 weeks of build time? Points system is telling the average contributors "Thanks for your time." It is also telling the -bigadv monster folding addicts "WOW! Thanks for going the extra mile for a worthy cause." Carrot vs Bigger Carrot. No one gets the stick.

[7im]

That Pentium D system cost close $5000 not that long ago.

When a 1 inch carrot is compared to a 30 foot carrot, the 1 inch carrot looks a lot like a stick.

[mdk777]

When a 1 inch carrot is compared to a 30 foot carrot, the 1 inch carrot looks a lot like a stick.

reminds me of a story of a fox in a vineyard.

So far all of 43 people have voted, either for or against this, out of 467,632

Are we looking to solve a problem here or instigate one

[MtM]

When a 1 inch carrot is compared to a 30 foot carrot, the 1 inch carrot looks a lot like a stick.

reminds me of a story of a fox in a vineyard.

So far all of 43 people have voted, either for or against this, out of 467,632

Are we looking to solve a problem here or instigate one

Maybe the lack of votes indicates a third option, we're creating one for no reason as there seems to be little to no interest...

[Grandpa_01]

When a 1 inch carrot is compared to a 30 foot carrot, the 1 inch carrot looks a lot like a stick.

reminds me of a story of a fox in a vineyard.

So far all of 43 people have voted, either for or against this, out of 467,632

Are we looking to solve a problem here or instigate one

Maybe the lack of votes indicates a third option, we're creating one for no reason as there seems to be little to no interest...

Like I said before the only place this is really being discussed is here. None of the other forums I visit are really discussing it.

Maybe you just hit the nail on the head. If it gets hit hard enough it will get buried deep into the wood.

And by the way something incited me to buy another 970 today.

[Slash_2CPU]

That Pentium D system cost close $5000 not that long ago.

Yeh, and an ALR 6x6 was $13,675 in 1997. A dollar spent on a computer today is worth 5 cents in a decade.

[MtM]

Well I have to say I read 2 or 3 f@h related forums, and I have to agree with Grandpa_01. Haven't seen allot of complaints yet there either.

I did indeed say it would be nice to be able to poll without a need for registration, but I didn't use an external poll hosted outside of the forum since I am counting on the registration system preventing abuse

The poll time can be extended if you want, I don't think it will help much. What should happen is that the people here who are arguing need to check in with their teams and try and get a good feel on things, that's the historic method as well as it never been the case the entire community would debate here about the issues at hand, the real hard debates were often done on team forums. I think that's already done, and the result is in the poll, but if you're convinced it is not?

7im, I post whatever comes up as being possibly true, and try to offer a reasoning/explanation for it. I did say 'Maybe' and 'seems'. If you turn it around, normally one would attack that reasoning, not the fact that the idea might seem random. Maybe I'm posting more then one scenario as there is a possibility more then one thing could be true, we don't have enough information to rule things out with certainty, especially not if we keep arguing about the worth of a forum poll which isn't relevant to the case in hand. I don't see how I could 'stay grounded in facts' in a discussion which seems to focus on who's interpretation of facts is correct? Even saying that me is another psychological method of trying to turn the debate in your favor, but not with facts.