Is it just me or are the Stats not updating?[Nov 12 problem]

[tacoma43]

Some people people keep back copies of FAHlog.txt and may be able to reconstruct their complete history over that time-period.

I have a copy of the log for my two WUs that were completed November 11, but you've indicated...

...that capability [checking the P(R,G,C) data?] was shut down a long time ago due to the overload on the stats server.

What else can be submitted to verify whether I've received proper credit?

[7im]

... Can you get any confirmation then on the ending (or continuation) of the re-creditation of the 'lost' points of the (for me) Nov. 11-12 period, please ?


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PG will typically post when they are done running a manual recredit, but I say that from past experience and that is no guarantee of future performance.

[bruce]

II believe that the re-crediting has been completed.

I don't know any way to know if a specific WU has been credited or not, but I'll ask.

[noorman]

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thanks

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[Joe_H]

Still have not received credit for one WU turned in on the 11th. If they are done with re-crediting, then I am providing this log excerpt so they can use it to maybe figure out what was not caught by their backup server and fix that for the future.

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--- Opening Log file [November 6 05:59:07] 


# Mac OS X Console Edition ####################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 5.02

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /Users/*********/Library/Folding@home
Arguments: -psn_0_2359297 

[05:59:07] - Ask before connecting: No
[05:59:07] - User name: Joe_H (Team 38910)
[05:59:07] - User ID: 296B317F2C13949C
[05:59:07] - Machine ID: 1
[05:59:07] 
[05:59:07] Loaded queue successfully.
[05:59:07] + Benchmarking ...
[05:59:13] The benchmark result is 1610
[05:59:13] 
[05:59:13] + Processing work unit
[05:59:13] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[05:59:13] Core found.
[05:59:13] Working on Unit 04 [November 6 05:59:13]
[05:59:13] + Working ...
[05:59:13] 
[05:59:13] *------------------------------*
[05:59:13] Folding@Home Gromacs Core
[05:59:13] Version 1.90 (March 8, 2006)
[05:59:13] 
[05:59:13] Preparing to commence simulation
[05:59:13] - Looking at optimizations...
[05:59:13] - Files status OK
[05:59:14] - Expanded 2967364 -> 15084029 (decompressed 508.3 percent)
[05:59:15] 
[05:59:15] Project: 2499 (Run 163, Clone 33, Gen 17)
[05:59:15] 
[05:59:16] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[05:59:16] Entering M.D.
[05:59:39] (Starting from checkpoint)
[05:59:39] Protein: Translocon_ALX2
[05:59:39] 
[05:59:39] Writing local files
[05:59:40] Completed 96740 out of 250000 steps  (39)
[05:59:41] Testing CPU type...
[05:59:41] Done testing.
[05:59:41] Extra AltiVec boost OK.
[06:35:01] Writing local files
[06:35:02] Completed 97500 out of 250000 steps  (39)
[08:25:53] Writing local files
[08:25:54] Completed 100000 out of 250000 steps  (40)
[10:15:16] Writing local files
[10:15:17] Completed 102500 out of 250000 steps  (41)

...

[01:14:42] Writing local files
[01:14:43] Completed 240000 out of 250000 steps  (96)
[03:10:27] Writing local files
[03:10:27] Completed 242500 out of 250000 steps  (97)
[05:01:00] Writing local files
[05:01:00] Completed 245000 out of 250000 steps  (98)
[07:24:05] Writing local files
[07:24:06] Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps  (99)
[09:51:21] Writing local files
[09:51:21] Completed 250000 out of 250000 steps  (100)
[09:51:21] Writing final coordinates.
[09:51:23] Past main M.D. loop
[09:52:24] 
[09:52:24] Finished Work Unit:
[09:52:24] - Reading up to 2297304 from "work/wudata_04.arc": Read 2297304
[09:52:24] - Reading up to 172888 from "work/wudata_04.xtc": Read 172888
[09:52:24] goefile size: 0
[09:52:24] logfile size: 40663
[09:52:24] Leaving Run
[09:52:27] - Writing 2529031 bytes of core data to disk...
[09:52:27]   ... Done.
[09:52:28] - Shutting down core
[09:52:28] 
[09:52:28] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[09:52:29] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[09:52:29] Sending work to server


[09:52:29] + Attempting to send results
[09:53:00] + Results successfully sent
[09:53:00] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[09:53:00] + Number of Units Completed: 296

[09:53:00] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[09:53:00] + Attempting to get work packet
[09:53:00] - Connecting to assignment server
[09:53:01] - Successful: assigned to (171.65.103.162).
[09:53:01] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[09:53:01] Loaded queue successfully.
[09:53:20] + Closed connections
[09:53:20] 
[09:53:20] + Processing work unit
[09:53:20] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[09:53:20] Core found.
[09:53:20] Working on Unit 05 [November 11 09:53:20]
[09:53:20] + Working ...

Username, team ID, etc all in the log.

Joe_H

[tacoma43]

While you're at it, here's mine:

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--- Opening Log file [November 11 08:02:13 UTC] 


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 6.23

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\FAH
Executable: C:\FAH\fah6.exe
Arguments: -verbosity 9 

[08:02:13] - Ask before connecting: No
[08:02:13] - User name: tacoma43 (Team 35586)
[08:02:13] - User ID: 1980A72A033B07F2
[08:02:13] - Machine ID: 1
[08:02:13] 
[08:02:13] Loaded queue successfully.
[08:02:13] 
[08:02:13] + Processing work unit
[08:02:13] Core required: FahCore_a0.exe
[08:02:13] Core found.
[08:02:13] - Autosending finished units... [November 11 08:02:13 UTC]
[08:02:13] Trying to send all finished work units
[08:02:13] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[08:02:13] - Autosend completed
[08:02:13] Working on queue slot 00 [November 11 08:02:13 UTC]
[08:02:13] + Working ...
[08:02:13] - Calling '.\FahCore_a0.exe -dir work/ -suffix 00 -priority 96 -checkpoint 3 -verbose -lifeline 452 -version 623'

[08:02:13] 
[08:02:13] *------------------------------*
[08:02:13] Folding@Home Gromacs 3.3 Core
[08:02:13] Version 1.93 (July 23, 2008)
[08:02:13] 
[08:02:13] Preparing to commence simulation
[08:02:13] - Looking at optimizations...
[08:02:13] - Files status OK
[08:02:15] - Expanded 1160594 -> 6173133 (decompressed 531.8 percent)
[08:02:16] 
[08:02:16] Project: 5113 (Run 146, Clone 84, Gen 33)
[08:02:16] 
[08:02:16] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[08:02:16] Entering M.D.
[08:02:22] FAH Init
[08:02:22] Checkpoint file: 
[08:02:29] (Starting from checkpoint)
[08:02:29] Read checkpoint
[08:02:29] Protein: Calmodulin in water
[08:02:29] Writing local files
[08:02:34] Completed 462184 out of 500000 steps  (92 percent)
[08:02:35] Extra SSE boost OK.
       .
       .
[21:27:07] Completed 500000 out of 500000 steps  (100 percent)
[21:27:07] Writing final coordinates.
[21:27:08] Past main M.D. loop
[21:28:08] 
[21:28:08] Finished Work Unit:
[21:28:08] - Reading up to 2051136 from "work/wudata_00.arc": Read 2051136
[21:28:08] - Reading up to 221840 from "work/wudata_00.xtc": Read 221840
[21:28:08] goefile size: 0
[21:28:08] logfile size: 58443
[21:28:08] Leaving Run
[21:28:10] - Writing 2341835 bytes of core data to disk...
[21:28:10]   ... Done.
[21:28:10] - Error deleting work files.
[21:28:10] - Shutting down core
[21:28:10] 
[21:28:10] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[21:28:13] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[21:28:13] Unit 0 finished with 85 percent of time to deadline remaining.
[21:28:13] Updated performance fraction: 0.851709
[21:28:13] Sending work to server
[21:28:13] Project: 5113 (Run 146, Clone 84, Gen 33)


[21:28:13] + Attempting to send results [November 11 21:28:13 UTC]
[21:28:13] - Reading file work/wuresults_00.dat from core
[21:28:13]   (Read 2341835 bytes from disk)
[21:28:13] Connecting to http://171.67.108.12:8080/
[21:44:03] Posted data.
[21:44:04] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~2 kB/s
[21:44:04] - Averaged speed for that direction ~3 kB/s
[21:44:04] + Results successfully sent
[21:44:04] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[21:44:04] + Number of Units Completed: 77

[21:44:08] Trying to send all finished work units
[21:44:08] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[21:44:08] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[21:44:08] + Attempting to get work packet
[21:44:08] - Will indicate memory of 639 MB
[21:44:08] - Detect CPU. Vendor: GenuineIntel, Family: 15, Model: 0, Stepping: 7
[21:44:08] - Connecting to assignment server
[21:44:08] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[21:44:10] Posted data.
[21:44:10] Initial: E6A9; - Successful: assigned to (169.230.26.30).
[21:44:10] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[21:44:10] Loaded queue successfully.
[21:44:10] Connecting to http://169.230.26.30:8080/
[21:44:12] Posted data.
[21:44:12] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 11049)
[21:44:15] - Downloaded at ~3 kB/s
[21:44:15] - Averaged speed for that direction ~2 kB/s
[21:44:15] + Received work.
[21:44:15] Trying to send all finished work units
[21:44:15] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[21:44:15] + Closed connections
[21:44:15] 
[21:44:15] + Processing work unit
[21:44:15] Core required: FahCore_82.exe
[21:44:15] Core found.
[21:44:15] Working on queue slot 01 [November 11 21:44:15 UTC]
[21:44:15] + Working ...
[21:44:15] - Calling '.\FahCore_82.exe -dir work/ -suffix 01 -priority 96 -checkpoint 3 -verbose -lifeline 452 -version 623'

[21:44:15] 
[21:44:15] *------------------------------*
[21:44:15] Folding@Home PMD Core
[21:44:15] Version 1.03 (September 7, 2005)
[21:44:15] 
[21:44:15] Preparing to commence simulation
[21:44:15] - Looking at optimizations...
[21:44:15] - Created dyn
[21:44:15] - Files status OK
[21:44:15] - Expanded 10537 -> 66229 (decompressed 628.5 percent)
[21:44:15] 
[21:44:15] Project: 4613 (Run 4, Clone 46, Gen 51)
[21:44:15] 
[21:44:15] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[21:44:15] Entering M.D.
[21:44:22] Protein: p4613_T0_BBL-8_minout
       .
       .
[09:01:15] Completed 2500000 out of 2500000 steps  (100%)
[09:01:15] Writing checkpoint files
[09:02:15] 
[09:02:15] Finished Work Unit:
[09:02:15] Leaving Run
[09:02:16] - Writing 216750 bytes of core data to disk...
[09:02:16]   ... Done.
[09:02:16] - Shutting down core
[09:02:16] 
[09:02:16] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[09:02:18] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[09:02:18] Unit 1 finished with 96 percent of time to deadline remaining.
[09:02:18] Updated performance fraction: 0.874009
[09:02:18] Sending work to server
[09:02:18] Project: 4613 (Run 4, Clone 46, Gen 51)


[09:02:18] + Attempting to send results [November 12 09:02:18 UTC]
[09:02:18] - Reading file work/wuresults_01.dat from core
[09:02:18]   (Read 216750 bytes from disk)
[09:02:18] Connecting to http://169.230.26.30:8080/
[09:02:52] Posted data.
[09:02:52] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~6 kB/s
[09:02:52] - Averaged speed for that direction ~3 kB/s
[09:02:52] + Results successfully sent
[09:02:52] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[09:02:52] + Number of Units Completed: 78

[bollix47]

Here's a few more from the 11-12 November time period:

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[12:03:35] Project: 2671 (Run 57, Clone 32, Gen 128)


[12:03:35] + Attempting to send results [November 11 12:03:35 UTC]
[12:03:35] - Reading file work/wuresults_07.dat from core
[12:03:35]   (Read 49256011 bytes from disk)
[12:03:35] Connecting to http://171.67.108.24:8080/
[12:18:43] Posted data.
[12:18:43] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~52 kB/s
[12:18:49] - Averaged speed for that direction ~52 kB/s
[12:18:49] + Results successfully sent
[12:18:49] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.

[01:21:34] Project: 2671 (Run 18, Clone 73, Gen 129)


[01:21:34] + Attempting to send results [November 12 01:21:34 UTC]
[01:21:34] - Reading file work/wuresults_08.dat from core
[01:21:34]   (Read 49251748 bytes from disk)
[01:21:34] Connecting to http://171.67.108.24:8080/
[01:36:42] Posted data.
[01:36:42] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~52 kB/s
[01:36:49] - Averaged speed for that direction ~52 kB/s
[01:36:49] + Results successfully sent
[01:36:49] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.


[12:26:02] Project: 2671 (Run 57, Clone 10, Gen 128)


[12:26:02] + Attempting to send results [November 11 12:26:02 UTC]
[12:26:02] - Reading file work/wuresults_09.dat from core
[12:26:02]   (Read 49268092 bytes from disk)
[12:26:02] Connecting to http://171.67.108.24:8080/
[12:32:41] Posted data.
[12:32:42] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~118 kB/s
[12:32:47] - Averaged speed for that direction ~104 kB/s
[12:32:47] + Results successfully sent
[12:32:47] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.


[23:56:28] Project: 2671 (Run 18, Clone 88, Gen 129)


[23:56:28] + Attempting to send results [November 11 23:56:28 UTC]
[23:56:28] - Reading file work/wuresults_00.dat from core
[23:56:28]   (Read 49252633 bytes from disk)
[23:56:28] Connecting to http://171.67.108.24:8080/
[00:03:16] Posted data.
[00:03:16] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~116 kB/s
[00:03:22] - Averaged speed for that direction ~106 kB/s
[00:03:22] + Results successfully sent
[00:03:22] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.

[11:32:21] Project: 2671 (Run 43, Clone 51, Gen 129)


[11:32:21] + Attempting to send results [November 12 11:32:21 UTC]
[11:32:21] - Reading file work/wuresults_01.dat from core
[11:32:21]   (Read 49157825 bytes from disk)
[11:32:21] Connecting to http://171.67.108.24:8080/
[11:39:01] Posted data.
[11:39:01] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~120 kB/s
[11:39:01] - Averaged speed for that direction ~109 kB/s
[11:39:01] + Results successfully sent
[11:39:01] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.

[06:58:44] Project: 2681 (Run 5, Clone 4, Gen 45)


[06:58:44] + Attempting to send results [November 11 06:58:44 UTC]
[06:58:44] - Reading file work/wuresults_09.dat from core
[06:58:44]   (Read 100144076 bytes from disk)
[06:58:44] Connecting to http://171.67.108.22:8080/
[07:12:15] Posted data.
[07:12:15] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~86 kB/s
[07:17:39] - Averaged speed for that direction ~84 kB/s
[07:17:39] + Results successfully sent
[07:17:39] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.

[01:00:54] Project: 2681 (Run 9, Clone 8, Gen 34)


[01:00:54] + Attempting to send results [November 12 01:00:54 UTC]
[01:00:54] - Reading file work/wuresults_06.dat from core
[01:00:54]   (Read 95913041 bytes from disk)
[01:00:54] Connecting to http://171.67.108.22:8080/
[01:13:56] Posted data.
[01:13:56] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~84 kB/s
[01:19:22] - Averaged speed for that direction ~81 kB/s
[01:19:22] + Results successfully sent
[01:19:22] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.

bollix47 - 39340

[J_M]

II believe that the re-crediting has been completed.

That would be disappointing. That would also mean that they have just stopped re-crediting points rather than actually completing it as saying 'completed' implies that the job is finished.I would have had not problem with just moving forward without a re-credit at all but I do have a problem with some people getting it and others not. If they were not going to be able to re-credit all the missing points they should have said so from the beginning. I have received about 3,000 of over 30,000 missing points. I don't care that much about the points but I do care when I'm being jerked around.

[7im]

J_M, do you have PRCG numbers from missing WUs that one might be able to research in your example?

[Grandpa_01]

Just curious 7im did you get back all of the points / WU's you lost on the 11 & 12 ?, I don't think they have finshed yet if they have they lost quite a few WU's from me.

[J_M]

J_M, do you have PRCG numbers from missing WUs that one might be able to research in your example?

No - I don't have a whole lot of info nor would I be inclined to gather it. I do have simply the fact that I lost about 12,000 points one day and 15,000 or so the next (from a pretty steady average output of 15,000+ to 3000 one day and 0 the next without any clients throwing EUEs ). I have also added a 2000 ppd client since the server failure and my average is only now trending upwards of where it had been previously. Perhaps I need to make myself more clear though. I'm not all that concerned about the points - I assume that the statement by PG was correct that the sceince was still being received. I also believed the statement that all the data was available and all points would be restored. If the decision had been made that the points were lost and not recoverable it would have ended there for me but we have been told to expect a recredit. I now see that some people seem to have been fully restored and some have not and that the process may be completed. What I have an issue with is being told one thing while another appears to be true. As a volunteer for this project I would appreciate the truth and actual facts when issues like this occur rather than what is now starting to feel a lot like spin and PR statements.

[Nathan_P]

Looks like i've only received about a third of what was missing. Trouble is i don't know which clients have been recredited and which haven't.

How do they go about the recredit, by server, by project number, by PG member, by time returned??

I Agree with what J_M says, We should have been told the truth about the recredit and the time that was going to take to get it sorted

[Mactin]

II believe that the re-crediting has been completed.

Since many of us in the community have had what looks like a partial re-credit, it would be nice if we had some official comment from PG on this matter, there is only so much MODs can do.
I accept taht points will be "lost", just let me know.
Experience over 2.5 years shows that about 1% does not get credited fo one reason or another.

[djchandler]

So if they know the WU was received, why is it so hard to look up the PRCG and place credit where it is due? Shouldn't it be a simple database query?

We had one team member (45104) receive 51000 points on 11/20, who also happens to be a new member, but showing a first record date of 11/15. His highest PPD other than that is 7017. That's certainly an anomaly if nothing else. How odd is it that his 51000 point spike occurred just as PG was supposed to be recovering data from the stats server after the 11/11-11/12 glitch?

Isn't using the passkey ID supposed to help avoid errors in points and WU allocation? I use a passkey. It didn't help me in any way that I know of.

Yeah, it's altruistic to say the points don't matter, and that it's all about the science. If points don't matter, then why bother with them at all?

From here on, you can dismiss me as a crackpot, paranoiac or just stupid if you wish. But I can't help speculating that there may be some benefiting from the work of others. If it's plainly arbitrary, then fine, I can live with that. But take the following into consideration before you flame me.

Teams are sponsoring contests with prizes being awarded on the basis of points. One in particular, folding@evga, number 5 in team standings with ~1000 active users, has an ongoing promotion, giving out credits towards EVGA product purchases and swag. Search on the phrase "folding@home contest" and see how many results you get. Google yielded about 536,000 unfiltered results today. AMD, PNY, EVGA, Nvidia and bunches of others, including web sites that sponsor teams, run contests. There could be legal ramifications if there isn't some greater effort made on the part of PG to comply with their own system. People are dangling more than "points" in front of possible donors in order to get them to participate.

Maybe PG says the re-crediting is completed, but that doesn't jibe with donor records, mine included. Transparency on the part of PG surely would not hurt in this instance. The lack of communication and assertions contrary to donor records of submissions could call into question the competency and/or integrity of those responsible for stats record keeping. Once again, I hope I'm wrong about this and it's just a simple glitch.

But some people cheat just because they can. Certain teams have brought in possible donors whose principle interest may be other than contributing to science, fragging their online opponents being their motivation instead. For some, a glitch may present an opportunity. And what if the stats server was hacked, and that's what caused the glitch? Microsoft's Xbox Live service just kicked off over 1,000,000 Xboxes for illegal modifications, a probable indication of enhancements made solely for the purpose of cheating.

But then one could also question if our efforts on 11/11 and 11/12 actually made any difference at all. What if entire WUs were actually lost, and that's really why there can be no re-crediting? If so, PG should just say that's what happened. But that comes back to competency, doesn't it?

I'm wondering if those aforementioned legal ramifications are what's keeping the information from flowing freely. Keeping one's mouth shut is the first, surest and easiest method of damage control.

[7im]

I don't think any DB query on a data set that large is ever simple. Just the sort to divide up credited and uncredited WUs could take days, running across multiple servers.

And stop turning every unanswered points question in to a cheating paranoia. Teams have folding contests all the time. For example, Ars Technica participates in more than 2 dozen DC projects, and they probably have at least one contest running each month. Some contests are to win prizes, others are simply for bragging rights. And sometimes the prizes are even donated by corporate sponsors. It's paid advertising, not bribes or subversion.

Did you read the XBox article you cited? People modified their XBox to run copied / pirated software, not to cheat at points.

In your own words, "From here on, you can dismiss me as a crackpot, paranoiac or just stupid if you wish." Consider it done.

With all your unsubstantiated claims, you wouldn't happen to work at Fox News would you?