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Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:42 pm
by TheWolf
Once there is no, no non since console versions left I'll be leaving F@H for good as well. Been folding since 12/2002.
The GUI is for newbies, I even prefer the old bios setup of a motherboard over the new GUI bios.
Sometimes change is not always better, in this case not for F@H since many like me will be gone taking tons of hardware off line
since they do not wish to run a GUI client. I've tried it & dislike it with a passion. Enough so if its all that's left to fold on I will be gone.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:02 pm
by bruce
TheWolf wrote:Once there is no, no non since console versions left I'll be leaving F@H for good as well. Been folding since 12/2002.
So you'll be staying since there will always be a non-GUI version. It's called the stand-alone FAHClient. You're certainly entitled to hold on to your preferences...and FAH does give you that choice. I guess you have not been following recent events nor have you read the previous posts in this topic.
You can download the same non-gui version of V7 as a stand-alone (console) version that is used as a background processing task when people run the GUI. You can configure it with command-line parameters or by editing config.xml if you prefer those methods over starting a GUI. You can send it real-time instructions via telnet.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:18 pm
by bollix47
FWIW
All eight of my computers are running FAHClient console only. The only time I open FAHControl is on my main computer to pause or make a change on it or one of my remotes but that's only because it's faster and more convenient than running around my home changing one or more of them. However, opening the GUI is not necessary. It is not normally active on my main computer and never on the remotes.
So you can run v7 in console mode and never see a GUI just like the v6 console.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:57 am
by TheWolf
bruce wrote:TheWolf wrote:Once there is no, no non since console versions left I'll be leaving F@H for good as well. Been folding since 12/2002.
So you'll be staying since there will always be a non-GUI version. It's called the stand-alone FAHClient. You're certainly entitled to hold on to your preferences...and FAH does give you that choice. I guess you have not been following recent events nor have you read the previous posts in this topic.
You can download the same non-gui version of V7 as a stand-alone (console) version that is used as a background processing task when people run the GUI. You can configure it with command-line parameters or by editing config.xml if you prefer those methods over starting a GUI. You can send it real-time instructions via telnet.
Yea I read & understood what was said in this topic, but will not be running v7 console for I dislike the changes.
I see there maybe a problem with servers or the v6 I'm running. I have been getting smp WU's with FAH6.34-win32-SMP.exe -smp
on many rigs, but today/tonight at some point 6 of these rigs are getting nothing but UNI A4 WU's one right after another.
Is this now the way of the FAH6.34-win32-SMP.exe or is it some other problem on your end causeing these to get A4 WU's instead of SMP?
Edit: I take it this post: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=22037 might have something to do with it.
But what I'm getting don't seem to be SMP A4 WU's but A4 Uniprocessor p8014
NVM found what I was looking for.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:16 am
by compdewd
A4 work units are not just uniprocessor WUs; they can be run on both uniprocessor and SMP rigs
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:18 am
by TheWolf
compdewd wrote:A4 work units are not just uniprocessor WUs; they can be run on both uniprocessor and SMP rigs
see my edit above. That's not a SMP WU, check it at the project page.
Click to see enlarged pic.
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/fah ... ned?p=8014
[Console vs GUI] Was: No appropriate work server was
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:26 am
by rhavern
Are you using the -smp CLI switch or have it set when you did the -config option? It would be useful if you posted your log (in code tags).
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:27 am
by compdewd
Where do you see that it is only a uniprocessor project?
Here is the project page that I'm looking at and I don't see anything that says it is not an SMP project
EDIT: I saw the picture you posted of the HFM.NET screenshot and from my experience with the program, it says all projects are uniprocessor for me when in reality they are all SMP, so I wouldn't go by what it says. If you look at your logs, you can tell if the WU you are working on is SMP if it says at some point:
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07:21:00:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 8 to 8
or some other number greater than 1
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:59 am
by Joe_H
Project 8014 is running as SMP on your rig, it would take much longer than 1:36 to finish if it was running as a uniprocessor WU. As mentioned there is nothing on the project page stating it is a uniprocessor WU, just that it uses the A4 core. Here is the original announcement of the project, viewtopic.php?f=66&t=21425&p=214055&hilit=8014#p214055, when it came out as a beta. The title is New SMP Project 8014.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:03 pm
by artoar_11
Today I also got the first A4 WU (8014) with client V6.34. There is nothing wrong. TPF~00:44s - SB 2500K @4.3 GHz
PS: I guess with bonus +10%
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[09:49:38] Connecting to http://171.67.108.58:8080/
[09:49:39] Posted data.
[09:49:39] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 547225)
[09:49:42] - Downloaded at ~178 kB/s
[09:49:42] - Averaged speed for that direction ~275 kB/s
[09:49:42] + Received work.
[09:49:42] Trying to send all finished work units
[09:49:42] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[09:49:42] + Closed connections
[09:49:42]
[09:49:42] + Processing work unit
[09:49:42] A4 will attempt to use 4 threads.
[09:49:42] Core required: FahCore_a4.exe
[09:49:42] Core found.
[09:49:42] Working on queue slot 06 [August 24 09:49:42 UTC]
[09:49:42] + Working ...
[09:49:42] - Calling '.\FahCore_a4.exe -dir work/ -nice 19 -suffix 06 -np 4 -nocpulock -checkpoint 9 -verbose -lifeline 3092 -version 634'
[09:49:42]
[09:49:42] *------------------------------*
[09:49:42] Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
[09:49:42] Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
[09:49:42]
[09:49:42] Preparing to commence simulation
[09:49:42] - Looking at optimizations...
[09:49:42] - Created dyn
[09:49:42] - Files status OK
[09:49:42] - Expanded 546713 -> 1326096 (decompressed 242.5 percent)
[09:49:42] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=546713 data_size=1326096, decompressed_data_size=1326096 diff=0
[09:49:42] - Digital signature verified
[09:49:42]
[09:49:42] Project: 8014 (Run 3, Clone 62, Gen 142)
[09:49:42]
[09:49:42] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[09:49:42] Entering M.D.
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[11:02:47] - Autosending finished units... [August 24 11:02:47 UTC]
[11:02:47] Trying to send all finished work units
[11:02:47] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[11:02:47] - Autosend completed
[11:02:54] Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps (99%)
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[11:03:39] DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000
[11:03:49]
[11:03:49] Finished Work Unit:
[11:03:49] - Reading up to 769164 from "work/wudata_06.trr": Read 769164
[11:03:49] trr file hash check passed.
[11:03:49] - Reading up to 456192 from "work/wudata_06.xtc": Read 456192
[11:03:49] xtc file hash check passed.
[11:03:49] edr file hash check passed.
[11:03:49] logfile size: 22916
[11:03:49] Leaving Run
[11:03:52] - Writing 1253676 bytes of core data to disk...
[11:03:52] Done: 1253164 -> 1192945 (compressed to 95.1 percent)
[11:03:52] ... Done.
[11:03:52] - Shutting down core
[11:03:52]
[11:03:52] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[11:03:54] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[11:03:54] Unit 6 finished with 99 percent of time to deadline remaining.
[11:03:54] Updated performance fraction: 0.952709
[11:03:54] Sending work to server
[11:03:54] Project: 8014 (Run 3, Clone 62, Gen 142)
[11:03:54] + Attempting to send results [August 24 11:03:54 UTC]
[11:03:54] - Reading file work/wuresults_06.dat from core
[11:03:54] (Read 1193457 bytes from disk)
[11:03:54] Connecting to http://171.67.108.58:8080/
[11:04:00] Posted data.
[11:04:00] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~194 kB/s
[11:04:00] - Averaged speed for that direction ~264 kB/s
[11:04:00] + Results successfully sent
[11:04:00] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[11:04:00] + Number of Units Completed: 1568
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:06 pm
by 7im
TheWolf wrote:compdewd wrote:A4 work units are not just uniprocessor WUs; they can be run on both uniprocessor and SMP rigs
see my edit above. That's not a SMP WU, check it at the project page.
Click to see enlarged pic.
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/fah ... ned?p=8014
As bruce said
bruce wrote:I guess you have not been following recent events...
The newer A4 work units can run as either UNI or SMP. However, HFM has a problem detecting this in the v6 client, and shows all A4 work units running as UNI, even when running as SMP. See Harlams explanation here:
http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=211100#p211100 But HFM works correctly with the V7 client, so another good reason to upgrade.
Here's a few comments from the FAH NEWS page showing that A4s are SMP...
http://folding.typepad.com/news/2012/07 ... oject.html
Many of our newer SMP projects use the A4 core...
Talk about SMP work as A4s goes back as far as June 2009...
http://folding.typepad.com/news/2009/06 ... -done.html
The SMP2 initiative lead to two different cores, one for the Desmond code from DE Shaw Research and another for a Gromacs variant (a variant of the A4 core). We having been testing both in single cpu-core format (the A4 Gromacs core is a single core version of what will become SMP2) and we hope to release in a week or two a set of single core Desmond jobs. If those look good, multiple-core versions via threads (not MPI) will follow thereafter.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:46 pm
by TheWolf
7im wrote:TheWolf wrote:compdewd wrote:A4 work units are not just uniprocessor WUs; they can be run on both uniprocessor and SMP rigs
see my edit above. That's not a SMP WU, check it at the project page.
Click to see enlarged pic.
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/fah ... ned?p=8014
As bruce said
bruce wrote:I guess you have not been following recent events...
If you had read my post a page back you would have seen I post a link to what your saying.
So your late to the party as usual. lol
At any rate there still UNI core WU's that have been converted to use the SMP format is all.
As for HFM it shows everything correct for type of WU, at least my version does so I'm not sure where you get it doesn't.
this is with the older versions the update version v0.9.1 is even more correct.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:10 pm
by bruce
The fact that HFM calls it a uniprocessor slot doesn't necessarily mean that it is. Please post the log showing the startup of that WU. As you've been told several times, Fahcore_a4 runs in either a uniprocessor slot or a SMP slot, depending on how you've configured your system.
By the way, why are you asking questions about SMP when you're in a GPU topic?
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:26 pm
by TheWolf
bruce wrote:The fact that HFM calls it a uniprocessor slot doesn't necessarily mean that it is. Please post the log showing the startup of that WU. As you've been told several times, Fahcore_a4 runs in either a uniprocessor slot or a SMP slot, depending on how you've configured your system.
By the way, why are you asking questions about SMP when you're in a GPU topic?
lol someone else that can't read.
At any rate there still UNI core WU's that have been converted to use the SMP format is all.
NVM you guys are as usual, stuck on trying to be right.
Ya'll must to have copied others papers in school as well, because basically its all you have done here.
I had already found & posted the facts a page back, so there was no need to chime in at all.
To start with I came here looking for answers to my 5850 problem, and got off topic, sorry.
Re: No appropriate work server was available; will try again
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:51 am
by Jesse_V
TheWolf wrote:bruce wrote:The fact that HFM calls it a uniprocessor slot doesn't necessarily mean that it is. Please post the log showing the startup of that WU. As you've been told several times, Fahcore_a4 runs in either a uniprocessor slot or a SMP slot, depending on how you've configured your system.
By the way, why are you asking questions about SMP when you're in a GPU topic?
lol someone else that can't read.
Then ask and we can explain. What exactly are you confused about? Bruce's last point is due to the fact that this thread is located in the "V6 Client software ‹ V6 GPU3 beta (including Fermi) OpenMM" section. We like to keep things organized and fairly focused.
TheWolf wrote:At any rate there still UNI core WU's that have been converted to use the SMP format is all.
NVM you guys are as usual, stuck on trying to be right.
Ya'll must to have copied others papers in school as well, because basically its all you have done here.
I had already found & posted the facts a page back, so there was no need to chime in at all.
To start with I came here looking for answers to my 5850 problem, and got off topic, sorry.
The volunteers here are taking time out of their busy days to help you. We're all learning, and answering your questions as best we can. As you can see, on the last page compdewd said "A4 work units are not just uniprocessor WUs; they can be run on both uniprocessor and SMP rigs". This is the way things work with the A4 core: it can use one or many cores to process a WU. Uniprocessor means you want to use one CPU core. SMP means you want to use two or more. Core A4 doesn't care.
Here's a recent blog post about the scientific value of the A4 core:
http://folding.typepad.com/news/2012/07 ... oject.html
Many of our newer SMP projects use the A4 core, which has several scientific advancements, while existing projects use the still important A3 core. The A4 core is not compatible with Clients below version 6.34 and many donors are still running these older Client versions. This presents an opportunity to encourage people to donate their cycles towards these vital A4 projects. To emphasize the scientific importance of these work units, we are boosting the base points of all A4 work units by 10% when uploaded
So there's nothing wrong with running the A4 core a lot, and as discussed on the previous page, you can run V7 without the GUI.