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Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden errors.
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:51 am
by Rich_D
I started getting these errors this evening.
I did have the card at a stable overclock and the card was folding along fine for the past week, then all of a sudden this evening it started getting errors at the 1% mark and going to the next WU.
I have tried clocking the card back to stock configuration but I am still getting the same errors.
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[03:35:43] + Processing work unit
[03:35:43] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[03:35:43] Core found.
[03:35:43] Working on queue slot 03 [February 26 03:35:43 UTC]
[03:35:43] + Working ...
[03:35:43]
[03:35:43] *------------------------------*
[03:35:43] Folding@Home GPU Core
[03:35:43] Version 2.15 (Tue Nov 16 09:05:18 PST 2010)
[03:35:43]
[03:35:43] Build host: SimbiosNvdWin7
[03:35:43] Board Type: NVIDIA/CUDA
[03:35:43] Core : x=15
[03:35:43] Window's signal control handler registered.
[03:35:43] Preparing to commence simulation
[03:35:43] - Looking at optimizations...
[03:35:43] DeleteFrameFiles: successfully deleted file=work/wudata_03.ckp
[03:35:43] - Created dyn
[03:35:43] - Files status OK
[03:35:43] sizeof(CORE_PACKET_HDR) = 512 file=<>
[03:35:43] - Expanded 43699 -> 172159 (decompressed 393.9 percent)
[03:35:43] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=43699 data_size=172159, decompressed_data_size=172159 diff=0
[03:35:43] - Digital signature verified
[03:35:43]
[03:35:43] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[03:35:43]
[03:35:43] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[03:35:43] Entering M.D.
[03:35:45] Tpr hash work/wudata_03.tpr: 1399213409 2679800626 620498429 1228651168 3715002604
[03:35:45] Working on 2 PEPTIDE (1-42)
[03:35:45] Client config found, loading data.
[03:35:45] Starting GUI Server
[03:35:47] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[03:35:47] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[03:37:17] Completed 500000 out of 50000000 steps (1%).
[03:37:18] mdrun_gpu returned 52
[03:37:18] NANs detected on GPU
[03:37:18]
[03:37:18] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE
[03:37:21] CoreStatus = 7A (122)
[03:37:21] Sending work to server
[03:37:21] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[03:37:21] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976.
[03:37:21] - Error: Could not get length of results file work/wuresults_03.dat
[03:37:21] - Error: Could not read unit 03 file. Removing from queue.
[03:37:21] EUE limit exceeded. Pausing 24 hours.
System specs:
Win 7 Ultimate w/SP1
Athlon II x4 640
GTX 560 Ti OC w/266.66 drivers
8GB Mushkin DDR3 1333
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:19 am
by HendricksSA
Rich_D, welcome to the Fold. I guess to get started, were all the EUEs from the same work unit, Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) or are they appearing from a variety of work units? Perhaps one of the moderators can check to see if the 6806 was completed. I did not notice any complaints about it in the bad work unit thread.
As for your 560, is this a new card with just a week on it or have you had it for a while? You mentioned that you returned the clock to stock with the same problems. Have you updated its driver lately? I would suggest a sweep and reinstall. If that doesn't work, then I'd suggest PantherX's guide, section 15. It should help you sort out what may be a hardware failure. See it at: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=14683&p=144648#p144648
Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:03 am
by Rich_D
Driver is newest available for this card.
Yes card is just new last week.
I will take a look at the link you provided and see if it sheds some light.
And yes it looks it was only WU 6806 that it was having the errors on. I have deleted the work folder and queue.dat, changed the machine ID and will try for another WU to see if that changes anything.
I am running memtestg80 right now but looks good so far with no errors after 1000 iterations.
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:05 am
by PantherX
There isn't any data in the WU Database so I have marked it for a follow-up.
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:31 am
by Rich_D
Looks like it was that Project.....got 6800 Project and seems to be folding fine now.
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[08:27:26] + Processing work unit
[08:27:26] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[08:27:26] Core found.
[08:27:26] Working on queue slot 01 [February 26 08:27:26 UTC]
[08:27:26] + Working ...
[08:27:26]
[08:27:26] *------------------------------*
[08:27:26] Folding@Home GPU Core
[08:27:26] Version 2.15 (Tue Nov 16 09:05:18 PST 2010)
[08:27:26]
[08:27:26] Build host: SimbiosNvdWin7
[08:27:26] Board Type: NVIDIA/CUDA
[08:27:26] Core : x=15
[08:27:26] Window's signal control handler registered.
[08:27:26] Preparing to commence simulation
[08:27:26] - Looking at optimizations...
[08:27:26] DeleteFrameFiles: successfully deleted file=work/wudata_01.ckp
[08:27:26] - Created dyn
[08:27:26] - Files status OK
[08:27:26] sizeof(CORE_PACKET_HDR) = 512 file=<>
[08:27:26] - Expanded 43434 -> 169787 (decompressed 390.9 percent)
[08:27:26] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=43434 data_size=169787, decompressed_data_size=169787 diff=0
[08:27:26] - Digital signature verified
[08:27:26]
[08:27:26] Project: 6800 (Run 7043, Clone 0, Gen 11)
[08:27:26]
[08:27:26] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[08:27:26] Entering M.D.
[08:27:29] Tpr hash work/wudata_01.tpr: 1527850101 1445066742 2228363247 3915626403 1217746235
[08:27:29] Working on PEPTIDE (1-42)
[08:27:29] Client config found, loading data.
[08:27:29] Starting GUI Server
[08:27:30] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[08:27:30] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[08:28:57] Completed 500001 out of 50000064 steps (1%).
[08:30:24] Completed 1000002 out of 50000064 steps (2%).
Still going strong
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[09:39:50] Completed 10000001 out of 50000064 steps (19%).
[09:39:50] Completed 10000013 out of 50000064 steps (20%).
[09:41:17] Completed 10500013 out of 50000064 steps (21%).
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[10:08:22] Completed 20000025 out of 50000064 steps (40%).
[10:09:48] Completed 20500026 out of 50000064 steps (41%).
[10:11:15] Completed 21000026 out of 50000064 steps (42%).
[10:12:41] Completed 21500027 out of 50000064 steps (43%).
[10:14:08] Completed 22000028 out of 50000064 steps (44%).
[10:15:34] Completed 22500028 out of 50000064 steps (45%).
[10:17:01] Completed 23000029 out of 50000064 steps (46%).
[10:18:28] Completed 23500030 out of 50000064 steps (47%).
[10:19:54] Completed 24000030 out of 50000064 steps (48%).
[10:21:19] Completed 24500031 out of 50000064 steps (49%).
[10:22:45] Completed 25000032 out of 50000064 steps (50%).
[10:24:09] Completed 25500032 out of 50000064 steps (51%).
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:45 pm
by HendricksSA
Rich_D, it looks like you might have just swallowed a bad work unit. Hopefully your new card keeps right on working perfectly. Let us know if you have future problems. Fold on!
Re: Sudden errors......Help please.
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:48 am
by bruce
I'm going to move this topic to the "issues with specific WUs" forum and flag it for a followup. There are no error reports in the Mod DB yet for Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) and make sure it's flagged for followup.
Unfortunately when the client says - Error: .... Removing from queue. there's no electronic report, so letting us know about it is important.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:00 am
by jmaertens
For what it's worth, I started getting this exact same error on my GTX 460 the other day. And every WU I pull is the same "Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)", despite my best efforts of getting rid of the queue.dat, unitinfo, work folder, and even blowing away the core and letting it download again. Log snippet below:
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--- Opening Log file [March 5 05:33:18 UTC]
# Windows GPU Systray Edition #################################################
###############################################################################
Folding@Home Client Version 6.30r2
http://folding.stanford.edu
###############################################################################
###############################################################################
Launch directory: C:\Users\admin\AppData\Roaming\Folding@home-gpu
Arguments: -gpu 2 -forcegpu nvidia_fermi
[05:33:18] - Ask before connecting: No
[05:33:18] - User name: jmaertens (Team 111065)
[05:33:18] - User ID: 50EAE9A51BE61CBA
[05:33:18] - Machine ID: 4
[05:33:18]
[05:33:18] Gpu type=3 species=30.
[05:33:18] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[05:33:18] Initialization complete
[05:33:18] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[05:33:18] Cleaning up work directory
[05:33:18] + Attempting to get work packet
[05:33:18] Passkey found
[05:33:18] Gpu type=3 species=30.
[05:33:18] - Connecting to assignment server
[05:33:19] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.64).
[05:33:19] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[05:33:19] Loaded queue successfully.
[05:33:19] Gpu type=3 species=30.
[05:33:20] + Closed connections
[05:33:20]
[05:33:20] + Processing work unit
[05:33:20] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[05:33:20] Core not found.
[05:33:20] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[05:33:20] - Attempting to download new core...
[05:33:20] + Downloading new core: FahCore_15.exe
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[05:33:25] Verifying core Core_15.fah...
[05:33:25] Signature is VALID
[05:33:25]
[05:33:25] Trying to unzip core FahCore_15.exe
[05:33:25] Decompressed FahCore_15.exe (3903488 bytes) successfully
[05:33:30] + Core successfully engaged
[05:33:36]
[05:33:36] + Processing work unit
[05:33:36] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[05:33:36] Core found.
[05:33:36] Working on queue slot 01 [March 5 05:33:36 UTC]
[05:33:36] + Working ...
[05:33:36]
[05:33:36] *------------------------------*
[05:33:36] Folding@Home GPU Core
[05:33:36] Version 2.15 (Tue Nov 16 09:05:18 PST 2010)
[05:33:36]
[05:33:36] Build host: SimbiosNvdWin7
[05:33:36] Board Type: NVIDIA/CUDA
[05:33:36] Core : x=15
[05:33:36] Window's signal control handler registered.
[05:33:36] Preparing to commence simulation
[05:33:36] - Looking at optimizations...
[05:33:36] DeleteFrameFiles: successfully deleted file=work/wudata_01.ckp
[05:33:36] - Created dyn
[05:33:36] - Files status OK
[05:33:36] sizeof(CORE_PACKET_HDR) = 512 file=<>
[05:33:36] - Expanded 43699 -> 172159 (decompressed 393.9 percent)
[05:33:36] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=43699 data_size=172159, decompressed_data_size=172159 diff=0
[05:33:36] - Digital signature verified
[05:33:36]
[05:33:36] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[05:33:36]
[05:33:36] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[05:33:36] Entering M.D.
[05:33:38] Tpr hash work/wudata_01.tpr: 1399213409 2679800626 620498429 1228651168 3715002604
[05:33:38] Working on 2 PEPTIDE (1-42)
[05:33:38] Client config found, loading data.
[05:33:38] Starting GUI Server
[05:33:39] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[05:33:39] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[05:36:25] Completed 500000 out of 50000000 steps (1%).
[05:36:25] mdrun_gpu returned 52
[05:36:25] NANs detected on GPU
[05:36:25]
[05:36:25] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE
[05:36:28] CoreStatus = 7A (122)
[05:36:28] Sending work to server
[05:36:28] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[05:36:28] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976.
[05:36:28] - Error: Could not get length of results file work/wuresults_01.dat
[05:36:28] - Error: Could not read unit 01 file. Removing from queue.
[05:36:28] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[05:36:28] Cleaning up work directory
[05:36:28] + Attempting to get work packet
[05:36:28] Passkey found
[05:36:28] Gpu type=3 species=30.
[05:36:28] - Connecting to assignment server
[05:36:29] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.64).
[05:36:29] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[05:36:29] Loaded queue successfully.
[05:36:29] Gpu type=3 species=30.
[05:36:30] + Closed connections
[05:36:35]
[05:36:35] + Processing work unit
[05:36:35] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[05:36:35] Core found.
[05:36:35] Working on queue slot 02 [March 5 05:36:35 UTC]
[05:36:35] + Working ...
[05:36:35]
[05:36:35] *------------------------------*
[05:36:35] Folding@Home GPU Core
[05:36:35] Version 2.15 (Tue Nov 16 09:05:18 PST 2010)
[05:36:35]
[05:36:35] Build host: SimbiosNvdWin7
[05:36:35] Board Type: NVIDIA/CUDA
[05:36:35] Core : x=15
[05:36:35] Window's signal control handler registered.
[05:36:35] Preparing to commence simulation
[05:36:35] - Looking at optimizations...
[05:36:35] DeleteFrameFiles: successfully deleted file=work/wudata_02.ckp
[05:36:35] - Created dyn
[05:36:35] - Files status OK
[05:36:35] sizeof(CORE_PACKET_HDR) = 512 file=<>
[05:36:35] - Expanded 43699 -> 172159 (decompressed 393.9 percent)
[05:36:35] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=43699 data_size=172159, decompressed_data_size=172159 diff=0
[05:36:35] - Digital signature verified
[05:36:35]
[05:36:35] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[05:36:35]
[05:36:35] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[05:36:35] Entering M.D.
[05:36:37] Tpr hash work/wudata_02.tpr: 1399213409 2679800626 620498429 1228651168 3715002604
[05:36:37] Working on 2 PEPTIDE (1-42)
[05:36:37] Client config found, loading data.
[05:36:37] Starting GUI Server
[05:36:38] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[05:36:38] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit, SP2, with a GTX 460 at stock clock speeds, running 260.99 drivers. I also have 2 GTX 260s in the same box, and both of those are humming right along.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:03 pm
by PantherX
Welcome to the F@H Forum jmaertens,
If you got a bad WU, you will have to do this:
Step 1: Stop the F@h Client
Step 2: Delete the Work folder
Step 3: Delete the queue.dat file
Step 4: Change the Machine ID to another unique value
Step 5: Start the F@h Client
BTW, there is still no data in the WU Databse
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:13 am
by jmaertens
PantherX wrote:
Step 4: Change the Machine ID to another unique value
Wow, I've never heard that was necessary, but it worked like a champ. Thanks for the help!
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:01 pm
by Mortlake
Must be a defective WU, I had the exactly the same problem on one of my 460s - your tip about changing the machine ID worked a treat - thanks for that.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:06 pm
by PantherX
No data in the WU Database yet.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:27 pm
by PantherX
We have some data:
Your WU (P6806 R3987 C2 G10) was added to the stats database on 2011-03-08 17:08:14 for 0 points of credit.
Maybe it's a bad WU but we still have to wait for more results.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:15 pm
by ChrisM101
Im failing this unit 6806 at a 100% rate on an otherwise stable PC that has put up 1million points already this month.
Fails very shortly into unit maybe at 1% dropped to stock clocks and still failed.
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-- Opening Log file [March 20 18:29:11 UTC]
# Windows GPU Console Edition ################################################################################################################################
Folding@Home Client Version 6.30r1
http://folding.stanford.edu
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Launch directory: D:\Downloads\FAH_GPU_Tracker_V2\FAH GPU Tracker V2\GPU0
Executable: D:\Downloads\FAH_GPU_Tracker_V2\FAH GPU Tracker V2\FAH_GPU3.exe
Arguments: -oneunit -forcegpu nvidia_fermi -verbosity 9 -gpu 0
[18:29:11] - Ask before connecting: No
[18:29:11] - User name: ChrisM101 (Team 111065)
[18:29:11] - User ID: 21BE43D7336DE836
[18:29:11] - Machine ID: 3
[18:29:11]
[18:29:11] Gpu species not recognized.
[18:29:11] Work directory not found. Creating...
[18:29:11] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[18:29:11] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[18:29:11] - Autosending finished units... [March 20 18:29:11 UTC]
[18:29:11] Cleaning up work directory
[18:29:11] Trying to send all finished work units
[18:29:11] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[18:29:11] - Autosend completed
[18:29:11] + Attempting to get work packet
[18:29:11] Passkey found
[18:29:11] - Will indicate memory of 6135 MB
[18:29:11] Gpu species not recognized.
[18:29:11] - Detect CPU. Vendor: GenuineIntel, Family: 6, Model: 10, Stepping: 5
[18:29:11] - Connecting to assignment server
[18:29:11] Connecting to http://assign-GPU.stanford.edu:8080/
[18:29:12] Posted data.[18:29:12] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.64).
[18:29:12] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[18:29:12] Loaded queue successfully.
[18:29:12] Gpu species not recognized.
[18:29:12] Sent data
[18:29:12] Connecting to http://171.64.65.64:8080/
[18:29:12] Posted data.
[18:29:12] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 44211)
[18:29:12] Conversation time very short, giving reduced weight in bandwidth avg
[18:29:12] - Downloaded at ~86 kB/s
[18:29:12] - Averaged speed for that direction ~86 kB/s
[18:29:12] + Received work.
[18:29:12] + Closed connections
[18:29:12]
[18:29:12] + Processing work unit
[18:29:12] Core required: FahCore_15.exe
[18:29:12] Core found.
[18:29:12] Working on queue slot 01 [March 20 18:29:12 UTC]
[18:29:12] + Working ...
[18:29:12] - Calling '.\FahCore_15.exe -dir work/ -suffix 01 -nice 19 -priority 96 -nocpulock -checkpoint 3 -verbose -lifeline 5996 -version 630'
[18:29:13]
[18:29:13] *------------------------------*
[18:29:13] Folding@Home GPU Core
[18:29:13] Version 2.15 (Tue Nov 16 09:05:18 PST 2010)
[18:29:13]
[18:29:13] Build host: SimbiosNvdWin7[18:29:13] Board Type: NVIDIA/CUDA
[18:29:13] Core : x=15
[18:29:13] Window's signal control handler registered.
[18:29:13] Preparing to commence simulation
[18:29:13] - Looking at optimizations...
[18:29:13] DeleteFrameFiles: successfully deleted file=work/wudata_01.ckp
[18:29:13] - Created dyn
[18:29:13] - Files status OK
[18:29:13] sizeof(CORE_PACKET_HDR) = 512 file=<>
[18:29:13] - Expanded 43699 -> 172159 (decompressed 393.9 percent)
[18:29:13] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=43699 data_size=172159, decompressed_data_size=172159 diff=0
[18:29:13] - Digital signature verified
[18:29:13]
[18:29:13] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[18:29:13]
[18:29:13] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[18:29:13] Entering M.D.
[18:29:15] Tpr hash work/wudata_01.tpr: 1399213409 2679800626 620498429 1228651168 3715002604
[18:29:15] Working on 2 PEPTIDE (1-42)
[18:29:15] Client config found, loading data.
[18:29:15] Starting GUI Server
[18:29:15] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[18:29:15] Setting checkpoint frequency: 500000
[18:30:26] Completed 500000 out of 50000000 steps (1%).
[18:30:27] mdrun_gpu returned 52
[18:30:27] NANs detected on GPU
[18:30:27]
[18:30:27] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE
[18:30:31] CoreStatus = 7A (122)
[18:30:31] Sending work to server
[18:30:31] Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10)
[18:30:31] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976.
[18:30:31] - Error: Could not get length of results file work/wuresults_01.dat
[18:30:31] - Error: Could not read unit 01 file. Removing from queue.
[18:30:31] Trying to send all finished work units
[18:30:31] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[18:30:31] + -oneunit flag given and have now finished a unit. Exiting.***** Got a SIGTERM signal (2)
[18:30:31] Killing all core threads
Folding@Home Client Shutdown.
Re: Project: 6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) - Sudden error
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:43 pm
by ChrisM101
Please take this work unit off the server until its fixed. It has totally ruined the Folding on the GPU it was running on.
6806 (Run 3987, Clone 2, Gen 10) FAILS everytime