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need help folding very slow

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:19 pm
by harry48
folding is very very slow 2 weeks to get to 200/300

i have 4 friends folding in my name they don't show on my stats

i tried to post text folders and picture here cannot see how to , can you help

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:24 pm
by bruce
Please describe your hardware.

Which project are you folding? If you find FAHlog.txt, it will contain a line Project xxxx (Run xx, Clone xx, Gen xx).

Some projects have deadlines that are as much as 12 weeks, although most are shorter than that.

Your name won't show up in the stats until somebody completes a WU and uploads the results.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:28 pm
by harry48
project 3860 run 54 clone 18 gen 8

Current Work Unit
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Name: p3860_fkbpabsolute_complex
Tag: -
Download time: July 16 19:42:15
Due time: September 14 19:42:15
Progress: 69% [||||||____]


My Folding@home page

My Information
Username: 48harry48
Team number: 67290

Current/Latest unit
Unit name, download time, progress: unitinfo.txt

Statistics
Personal statistics: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/mai ... mnum=67290
Team statistics: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/mai ... mnum=67290


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Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer HARRY (harold's computer)
Generator harold mullan
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2009-08-20
Time 21:36


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Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 3
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name HARRY (harold's computer)
User Name harold mullan

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Celeron D 320, 2400 MHz (18 x 133)
Motherboard Name MSI P4MAM-V (MS-6787 v2.0) (3 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR, 2 DIMM, Audio, Video, LAN)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8751A Apollo P4M266A
System Memory 1248 MB (DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award (07/29/04)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM10)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM11)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM12)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM13)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM14)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM6)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM7)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM8)
Communication Port Bluetooth Serial Port (COM9)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR (32 MB)
3D Accelerator S3 ProSavageDDR
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (852MW3JY11135)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive ST380011A (80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive VOM-12E48X
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (FAT32) 73851 MB (52777 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Mouse HID-compliant mouse

Network:
Network Adapter Bluetooth PAN Network Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport
Network Adapter VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter (192.168.1.2)
Modem Bluetooth DUN Modem
Modem Bluetooth Fax Modem
Modem SoftV92 Data Fax Modem

Peripherals:
Printer EPSON Stylus Photo RX520 Series
Printer Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller
USB2 Controller VIA USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
USB Device Bluetooth Device
USB Device Generic USB Hub
USB Device Logitech QuickCam Express #4
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device


hope this what you need

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:38 pm
by MtM
The preferred time for that project is 6 days, but the max is 60.

You're folding on a celeronD, that's old hardware and you should try running smaller work units. I didn't recognise the project but looking at the points is a very heavy one, and I am almost sure it needs -advmethods.

You should be running small wu's, and no advmethods with your hardware that way the wu's get processed quicker and you'll get points sooner.

Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear, but your computer is not one of the fastest around :(

Edit:

To make clear, the recommodation isn't a fact but based on personal observation. -Advmethods has no influence directly on wu processing time, and small wu's are only relevant with upload, not the amount of steps. I just think that on average I got faster finishing work units without -advmethods, and when having small wu's selected.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:51 am
by 7im
While not the top of the line processor, it will still earn about 100 points per day. Many people fold with very similar systems.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:31 pm
by harry48
7im , i have only moved from 200/300 up to 213/300 in 3 days


MtM , yes its 4/5 years old but going well , i'm on a small unit now 300 i take it but how do you choose , what do you mean project , and it's heavy , and what is advmethods ,


a lot of questions but i talk to people and they are folding a wu in a day

can i upgrade with something that would not be to expensive

thanks for your help

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:43 pm
by 7im
That's too slow. You must have something else running that uses up all the spare CPU cycles, leaving few cycles for FAH. Open task manager and see what else is using the CPU % and time.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:45 pm
by patonb
Do you run 24/7?

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:48 pm
by DanGe
It might also help to see your log file. Copy and paste your log file between the tags. You can access the log by right-clicking the FAH tray icon, hovering over Status, and clicking Log file. (If you were using the console client, you'd find it in FAHlog.txt in the location of the executable)

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:14 am
by bruce
patonb wrote:Do you run 24/7?
Also, what are the power savings settings for your CPU? Does it sleep or hibernate?
Set it for maximum performance.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:02 pm
by harry48
sorry for the delay, pc runs about 4/5 hours a day , pc is never left on , folding works from 80 % to 90 % , i do not know what you mean copy between the code tags

Edit by Mod: Added code tags.

Code: Select all

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[17:21:36] - Machine ID: 3
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[17:21:39] Core found.
[17:21:39] Working on queue slot 07 [August 22 17:21:39 UTC]
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[12:32:23] - User ID: 1F4F9C933BE845BC
[12:32:23] - Machine ID: 3
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[12:32:25] Working on queue slot 07 [August 23 12:32:25 UTC]
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[12:32:26] Version 1.00 (Thu Apr 24 19:12:09 PDT 2008)
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[12:32:26] - Files status OK
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[18:13:01] - User ID: 1F4F9C933BE845BC
[18:13:01] - Machine ID: 3
[18:13:01] 
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[18:13:01] Initialization complete
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[18:13:02] Core required: FahCore_7c.exe
[18:13:03] Core found.
[18:13:03] Working on queue slot 07 [August 23 18:13:03 UTC]
[18:13:03] + Working ...
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[18:13:04] Folding@Home Double Gromacs Core C
[18:13:04] Version 1.00 (Thu Apr 24 19:12:09 PDT 2008)
[18:13:04] 
[18:13:04] Preparing to commence simulation
[18:13:04] - Files status OK
[18:13:28] - Expanded 1194739 -> 3363684 (decompressed 281.5 percent)
[18:13:29] 
[18:13:29] Project: 3860 (Run 54, Clone 18, Gen 8)
[18:13:29] 
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[18:13:31] Entering M.D.
[18:13:41] Will resume from checkpoint file
[18:13:49] Working on p3860_fkbpabsolute_complex
[18:13:50] Completed 0 out of 300000 steps  (0%)
[18:13:51] Extra SSE2 boost OK
[18:16:29] Resuming from checkpoint
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Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:49 pm
by bruce
It looks like you're completeing 1% in about 2.3 hours so 100% will be 230 hours. That's 9.6 days if you were to run 24x7 or it's 51 days if you run 4.5 hours per day.

Project 3860 has an 8 day preferred deadline, which you won't be able to make, but it has a 60 day final deadline so you'll meet that one as long as you get at least your estimated 4.5 hrs/day. If you did decide to run 24x7, you'll be get 77 PPD. (That's a little slow for half of a Celeron D 320, 2.4 GHz but it's consistent with the 80% number you reported.)

At your 4.5 hrs/day, you'll be getting 14.5 PPD.

I see you've changed your checkpoint interval from the default of 15 minutes to 5 minutes. I'd change that back.

You said "folding works from 80 % to 90 %" Is that because you adjusted the configuration setting that defaults to 100% to some lower number or is that because your computer is busy doing something else 10% to 20% of the time?

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:20 pm
by harry48
i think i understand most of what you said , what is ppd, That's a little slow for half of a Celeron D 320

what do you mean half , i changed my setting to 15 mins , i thought it would report back faster




You said "folding works from 80 % to 90 %" Is that because you adjusted the configuration setting that defaults to 100% to some lower number or is that because your computer is busy doing something else 10% to 20% of the time?

windows will use about 6/8 % , when i open task manager it will use 10/13 % , so when i close it down that 10/13 % is used folding , i only go on windows nothing that will use a lot of power

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:43 pm
by patonb
PPD is Points Per Day. Its an easy way to monitor how the system is working.

Re: need help folding very slow

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:07 pm
by susato
Harry: ppd means "points per day". I'm not sure what Bruce meant by "Half a celeron D 320" but he may have been thinking that the "D" meant that the CPU is a dual core chip - and by running the uniprocessor client on a dual processor CPU, you'd be using only half its capacity.

Your checkpoint setting establishes how often the client pauses to write a checkpoint in the checkpoint file. For slow machines we suggest the 15 minute default or even 30 minutes. When the checkpoint interval is 5 minutes that means nearly 300 checkpoints written per day, and the time can really add up over a 5 to 10 day long work unit.

You asked about inexpensive upgrades. Open Task Manager and see how much of the computer's RAM is being used routinely when you Fold. If you using 100% of available RAM, then you can upgrade cheaply by installing extra RAM. However, if you are not RAM-limited, you are CPU-limited. You'll have to buy a different processor - possibly a Pentium 4 (just saw a 2.8 GHz P4 on ebay, to fit a FSB 533 MHz socket 478 mobo) But even then your mobo might not be compatible, especially if it's a name brand machine e.g. Dell, and even if it is, the improvement might not be worth the trouble. If you upgraded to a modern dual core machine it would be much faster and more versatile, and might even use less power than the one you have now, due to smaller (65 nm vs 130 or 200 nm) hardware and a more efficient modern power supply.