drkameleon wrote:Well, from the very first time I saw some InCrease screenshots - compared to that ultimate "simplicity" of FahMon - I loved it. However, FoldWatcher is by no means an attempt to become an InCrease port for Linux, thus some sort of imitation.
There has been a need for a FAH client monitor/managing GUI on Linux for some time. That's why I wrote my own webbased FAH client monitor
FCI. While FahMon is very nice, it's doesn't show as much information as I'd like, and it doesn't use a client/server model
FoldWatcher fills that gap quite nicely, using finstall the most popular tool to easily install FAH on Linux as I've seen in my webserver logs too. Every day I see a couple of people using finstall to install FAH, qd and fpd, FoldWather does something similiar to what InCrease adds to monitoring only functionality, the ease of use to install the FAH client.
drkameleon wrote:At first, I want to make clear that I just read a few lines out of FahMon code. Of course, I admit that queue.dat's struct format and wuinfo.dat's struct format were copied from linuxminded.nl (I think...). However, I was not at all sure that it wasn' t work made by the Stanford team itself.
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Well, I think I've already answered to this. I had and actually still have NO IDEA about the origin of the data. As you may have noticed, 1 or 2 months ago, I opened another thread in "3rd party contributed software" to ASK for documentation. Excuse me for not mentioning the origin, as I assumed (false... assumption again) that it was coming from the Stanford team.
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I MUST say that the documentation you pointed me to, was EXTREMELY useful, especially this hexdump of queue.dat. As I have mentioned in the other thread, it is a real TREASURE for programmers. How could I figure out then, what means a zero value - for example - in the third byte??? No way...
Although I've been programming for over 13 years (microkernels, trojans, prog.langs and bioinformatics apps), it's really my FIRST GPL'ed app and the first one as well that was uploaded to Sourceforge. I had absolutely NO INTENTION to steal code, as I admire programmers and their work and it would be really an insult to ignore their contribution. Excuse me for not mentioning the authors, because i had no idea, who they were. As far as some name changes I made in the structs I borrowed, that was just because - apart from functionality - I really think that code must be beautiful and more self-explanatory, thus programming IS indeed an ART.
The biggest mistake you made in the process was to not read the postings we made in the
F@H Monitor creation & Info from F@H files... topic and the documentation we linked well enough. I can't blame you for that too much, as its clear that your not a native English speaker, language may have been a barrier here too.
But if you would have checked who wrote the Wiki pages and who the website belongs to that were linked, you would have a good idea who the authors were and what their relation to the F@H project is. We've been in this community for a couple years now, so we know the way around and the who's who, so we show you the way too.
If you make the changes as
suggested by Uncle_Fungus, I'm perfectly happy about your use of our work. Although I must note that your license choice is a bit ackward, as
I wrote before:
smoking2000 wrote:It's OK to use other peoples GPLed code (assuming the code reuse is OK, e.g. GPLv2+ into GPLv3 project, whereas GPLv3 code can't be used in a GPLv2 project due to the additional restrictions in GPLv3), but respect their (C) and the license by perserving their copyright statements and give credit to these original authors in your project.
Because your code is licensed under the GPLv3 we cannot benefit from your code, because we cannot use it in our GPLv2+ licensed code for the reason mentioned above. The BSD license has the same problem versus the GPL, the additional restrictions in the GPL that are not in the BSD license make it impossible to use GPL code in a BSD licensed project. The other way around is possible though, you can use BSD code in a GPL project because the BSD license allows you use the code as long as you preserve the Copyright notice, those are not additionals restrictions which the GPL explicitly forbids. This is one major gripe the BSD community has with Linux community, the Linux community can profit from the work of the BSD projects by incorporating their code, but the BSD projects can't use the GPLed code of the Linux community. Many Flamewars have been fought over this, this problem was also not to long ago highlighted by the relicensing of OpenBSD wifi drivers written based on reverse engineering work of an OpenBSD developer in the Linux kernel, see:
OpenBSD: Stealing Versus Sharing Code on Kerneltrap (Kernel development news).
Linux Driver Copyright Violation on Undeadly (OpenBSD development news).
If you truly want to share you code so that others in the community may use (parts of) it in their FAH apps, relicensing under GPLv2+ would be better because we all use this version of the license (except InCrease, which used to be Public Domain, but is now BSD licensed which makes sense for a Mac app since OSX is based on FreeBSD). If you explicitly chose the GPLv3 for its patent protections or other v3 specifics, that's fine too, but for collaborations shake the GPLv2 is better in this case.
drkameleon wrote:smoking2000 wrote:I know drkameleon visited that webpage too, I saw his greek IP address in my webserver access_logs often
R u spying on my IP??? LOL just kidding...
No, I only watch the activity on my webserver quite closely as web development is a passion of mine, real-time monitoring via tail -f amongst others
I noticed the new visitor was you because of the pattern in which you visited the various FAH related content that I host, and the greek IP confirmed my suspicion. It's the same way I notice when Ivoshiee is visiting, he's the only frequent visitor of my websites with an Estonian IP
drkameleon wrote:All it technically needs is comments in the source code acknowledging the original authors of any reused code. Note that none of the documentation has been made public domain by Stanford.
As I see it, the following acknowledgements are necessary:
Richard P. Howell IV. Copyright (C) 2002-2005 - wuinfo, queue struct, xyz2pdb
Sebastiaan Couwenberg Copyright (C) 2005-2008 - docs and queue struct
Andrew Schofield Copyright (C) 2008 - queue struct (I say this because the struct you are using appears to have been lifted from FahMon:/src/includes/queue.h. The giveaway is the fact that you've left the doxygen-style comments in, which don't appear anywhere else in your source code, and the queue struct is a number of revs older that the latest version used by qd).
Ivo Sarak Copyright (C) 2003(?)-2008 - finstall
Technically there's no need to acknowledge the copyright of the authors of rasmol or wget unless you (i) include their source code (ii) distribute them with foldwatcher.
Please note we (Bas and myself) are not trying to discourage you from reusing code, that's the while reason our code is GPL'd, but respecting copyright is important.
I agree 100% and thank you a lot. My next sources will be more typical... I suppose this "FAHQUEUE.H" will become twice as big after ALL THESE ADDITIONS!
LOL. Do you know if not having the software copyrighted to your REAL NAME is a problem? 'Coz I really wouldn't like it to appear anywhere...
You should check out the
source code of qd, its size grew immensely when I started adding comments everywhere to help make sense of the code as
I wrote recently on the Team Mac OS X forum:
smoking2000 wrote:The changes since Dick Howells last release have been huge:
Code: Select all
qd.c | 3433 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
1 file changed, 2810 insertions(+), 623 deletions(-)
68K mirror/www.boston.quik.com/rph/qd.c
160K v1.8/source/qd/qd.c
Those insertions are mostly comments and project/credit/preferred deadline data, the percentage of actual code is just a fraction of it.
Regarding using your real name in your copyright statement, that depends on the Copyright law. INAL (I'm Not A Lawyer), but I'm not aware that using an alias for the copyright holder name is forbidden.
Current versions of nmap are copyrighted by Insecure.Com LLC, it used to be (C) Fyodor (
fyodor@dhp.com,
fyodor@insecure.org) in nmap 2.00, Fyodor has always used this as his name whereas his real name is
Gordon Lyon. Just like like
Solar Designer, who is also well known in the security community only by his nickname.
It's good practice to use your real name in the code you publish though, employers Google their new hires by default now, I even got approached once about prospective job opportunities by a recruiter from Google who found my website and my code. My current employer also Googled me, and because of my Internet footprint they were convinced I was a good choice, most of my web presence is from postings to Free Software project mailing list, and support forums. The many patches I have sent to various projects look good on me as a complement to my resume.
This is also a reason why giving credit to the authors of work you used and/or build upon is important. It's the only reward we get for our work, the 15 minutes of fame when your name gets mentioned for the efforts you've made for others. It's why I keep an extensive
CREDITS file in the qd-tools package, to thank all the people who have made (parts of) the project possible.
I'm looking forward to your next release.