Folding Forum

Bruce, thank you for clearing things out.

A script (E) will be nice. That way the Linux 64bit SMP client could be used. FreeBSD doesn't have 64bit Linux emulation, so it's not possible to emulate Linux SMP. Wine has 64bit Windows "emulation", but running though Wine is "slower" than through linuxator.

As for me, I am personally asking for 1 thing: native FreeBSD SMP client.

P.S. this is a perfect example why closed source is a bad idea. As long as people support the MS monopoly with the argument "they have the most clients", they will indeed have the most clients. The only reason I am using FAH is because it's supposedly for a good cause, but this whole proprietary license has me thinking what profit could Stanford be pulling in/planning to pull in.

I'm not a great fan of M$, but your theory about why FAH is closed source is pure bunk. It's about assuring scientifically valid results.

The points race makes people crazy, willing to violate any recommendations about ethical behavior just to "win" Look at what has happened to other Distributed Computing projects. People start submitting bogus results just to earn more points (aka "cheat") and the project has to spend much more time and effort discarding data that never should have been submitted in the first place.

Stanford it's making a profit. They're doing reputable scientific research that's open for any private company to read about. They're the ones that might make a profit from the scientific advances.

codysluder wrote:I'm not a great fan of M$, but your theory about why FAH is closed source is pure bunk. It's about assuring scientifically valid results.

The points race makes people crazy, willing to violate any recommendations about ethical behavior just to "win" Look at what has happened to other Distributed Computing projects. People start submitting bogus results just to earn more points (aka "cheat") and the project has to spend much more time and effort discarding data that never should have been submitted in the first place.

Stanford it's making a profit. They're doing reputable scientific research that's open for any private company to read about. They're the ones that might make a profit from the scientific advances.

To add on to this, Dr. Pande has explained about this data integrity here: http://folding.typepad.com/news/2009/08 ... grity.html and here: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-OpenSource So indeed its about making sure things are valid. BOINC's projects are completely open-source, and they have have a certain degree of redundancy, so if two unique computers do the same work and agree then the work is indeed valid. F@h allows itself to run at 100% efficiency by making things more closed instead of that 50%. However, the cores are all open sourced, its just the clients are the one's secured.

As explained here: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-Points the points make things competitive which benefits the project overall. In one of their first papers they explained it's importance, so its been a cornerstone since the beginning.

All the results from F@h are completely open, which is one of the neat things about the project I think. The Pande Group is a non-profit organization, so they don't actually turn a "profit" per-say but our computing systems allow them to break fundamental barriers in protein folding theory and make significant advances in disease research, so in that way they do benefit.

bgalakazam wrote:A script (E) will be nice.

Obviously you didn't search for an answer:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=437&p=3518&hilit=finstall#p3518

The script has been around for a long time, but it installs the 64-bit client. You need to upgrade your OS and I'm pretty sure that FreeBSD doesn't have a version that can run a 64-bit client or 64-bit cores. FAH is continually moving forward, doing cutting-edge research using cutting-edge technology and 32-bit technology is well on it's way to becoming obsolete for serious work, though it's not quite there yet.

Fbsd 9.x is allegedly going to have support for 32 bit Linux binaries, maybe. <shrug>

hrsetrdr wrote:Fbsd 9.x is allegedly going to have support for 32 bit Linux binaries, maybe. <shrug>

(I'm guessing you meant 64 bit binaries)

This was proposed, but not implemented. I imagine you saw that suggestion here:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD9

If you look at the FreeBSD 10 wishlist, it also has 64-bit LInux support as an item (under "Desktop"):

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD10

Who knows how long it will take before it finally lands. I know there's been some occasional work on it over the past few years.

Hyperlife wrote:

hrsetrdr wrote:Fbsd 9.x is allegedly going to have support for 32 bit Linux binaries, maybe. <shrug>

(I'm guessing you meant 64 bit binaries)

Yes, my bad.

Hyperlife wrote:This was proposed, but not implemented. I imagine you saw that suggestion here:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD9

If you look at the FreeBSD 10 wishlist, it also has 64-bit LInux support as an item (under "Desktop"):

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD10

Who knows how long it will take before it finally lands. I know there's been some occasional work on it over the past few years.

Thanks for the FreeBSD 10 wishlist link, the wait for 64-bit LInux support continues...