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Re: Scoring more on older hardware ?

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 11:14 pm
by Joe_H
22 goes down to 21, then depending on project settings, may drop to 20. There are a few projects where the geometry of the system being simulated works well with 21, these are exceptions to the usual rule.

As for log files, this topic includes directions on how to find and post them - viewtopic.php?f=61&t=26036.

Re: Scoring more on older hardware ?

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 11:52 pm
by JimboPalmer
r0k0 wrote:
JimboPalmer wrote: You want to avoid 7, 11, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22, and 23 threads; and understand that sometimes 5, 10, 15, and 20 may fail.
that's what you said avoid 7 and 22, which are the ones that always runs on my pc
A Thread is a a piece of hardware bulit into a Processor. While the CPU Core_a7 can be set to use as many threads as you have, F@H does not control how many threads are in the hardware. in your case Intel designs that
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... l-qpi.html

F@H writes software they call Cores, currently the Core_a7 is the only CPU Core.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... home_cores

In a similar fashion, the current GPU Cores are Core-21 and Core_22. Sadly F@H cannot set the number of threads to use in a GPU Core. It always uses the full GPU.

While the CPU Core runs at low Priority, the GPU Core does not.

Re: Scoring more on older hardware ?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:32 am
by Neil-B
I really do believe you are all talking at cross purposes here !!!

r0k0 doesn't know how FAH works … You are telling him the numbers 7 and 22 … r0k0 appears think you are referring to the FAHCore designations which obviously he sees in the client … He is not aware that the A7_core can have the number of threads it uses defined in advanced control … Saying not to use 7 and 21 therefore is very confusing because he has no choice as to which FAHCore to use!!!

r0k0 … As I tried to indicate before there is, I believe, some confusion here … People are not suggesting you do not the FAHCores A7 and 22 that you see - these are the bits of programming that do the folding … What they are trying to suggest is that the A7_core can be configured to use various amounts of your computers computing power - your computer has 2 Xeons iirc, each with 6 cores, and each of those cores can do 2 threads of work, therefore your kit has 24 threads of work it can do at any one time.

For every GPU (Graphics card) slot you have running a compute thread should be "left free" to service that with data … The rest of the threads can be allocated to a single CPU slot - and this is where the list of numbers that JimboPalmer and the rest were referring to comes into play - as the number of threads that are allocated to any CPU slot can cause issues.

If I am right and the above is the confusion then I think you may need a bit of help (step by step guide) on how to set up you CPU slot and I will leave this to someone better at those type of instructions than I am to help with this.

If I am wrong, then apologies for seeing confusion where none exists :(

Re: Scoring more on older hardware ?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:42 pm
by kiore
r0k0 wrote:
JimboPalmer wrote: You want to avoid 7, 11, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22, and 23 threads; and understand that sometimes 5, 10, 15, and 20 may fail.
that's what you said avoid 7 and 22, which are the ones that always runs on my pc
Here we are talking of different things setting cpu cores/threads and the core a7 and core 22, the a7 and 22 are work cores and not cores/threads on your cpu. The a7 is the cpu work unit and the core 22 or 21 are the gpu work units, so on the laptop I am currently writing I am running 4 core/threads but a doing core a7 (cpu) work unit. My desktops are running core a7 work on 6 and 12 threads respectively but also doing core 21 and 22 workunits on the gpus.

Re: Scoring more on older hardware ?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 10:24 pm
by r0k0
Neil-B wrote:I really do believe you are all talking at cross purposes here !!!

r0k0 doesn't know how FAH works … You are telling him the numbers 7 and 22 … r0k0 appears think you are referring to the FAHCore designations which obviously he sees in the client … He is not aware that the A7_core can have the number of threads it uses defined in advanced control … Saying not to use 7 and 21 therefore is very confusing because he has no choice as to which FAHCore to use!!!

r0k0 … As I tried to indicate before there is, I believe, some confusion here … People are not suggesting you do not the FAHCores A7 and 22 that you see - these are the bits of programming that do the folding … What they are trying to suggest is that the A7_core can be configured to use various amounts of your computers computing power - your computer has 2 Xeons iirc, each with 6 cores, and each of those cores can do 2 threads of work, therefore your kit has 24 threads of work it can do at any one time.

For every GPU (Graphics card) slot you have running a compute thread should be "left free" to service that with data … The rest of the threads can be allocated to a single CPU slot - and this is where the list of numbers that JimboPalmer and the rest were referring to comes into play - as the number of threads that are allocated to any CPU slot can cause issues.

If I am right and the above is the confusion then I think you may need a bit of help (step by step guide) on how to set up you CPU slot and I will leave this to someone better at those type of instructions than I am to help with this.

If I am wrong, then apologies for seeing confusion where none exists :(
yes, you are completely correct, i am so lost right now hahaha !
i'll just let F@H do its thing and i will not fiddle with it, my cpus do what its needed to be done, so are my gpus.