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djchandler wrote:Do we need an impartial arbitrator? There's no one posting here that's impartial, that's for certain.

Huhm I treid, sorry if I failed

Myself and some teammates also lost points, I lost 1 bigadv unit worth about 60k pts as well as some smaller wu's. I see it as one of life's niggles, it didn't kill me or hurt anyone else so I'm not going to worry about it. And yes I AM spending quite a bit of money on folding, my electric bill alone for folding is probably $50 or more a month but it is the spirit of contribution that is most important to me, I am unable to contribute to science in any other meaningful way, the points are icing on the cake.

MtM wrote:

djchandler wrote:Do we need an impartial arbitrator? There's no one posting here that's impartial, that's for certain.

Huhm I treid, sorry if I failed

I thought you were impartial.

Grandpa_01 wrote:

MtM wrote:

djchandler wrote:Do we need an impartial arbitrator? There's no one posting here that's impartial, that's for certain.

Huhm I treid, sorry if I failed

I thought you were impartial.

thanks

Btw, something just dawned on me ( abit late I should add ). If you don't have the logs, where did you get the data from to create the summary you posted?

MtM wrote:
Btw, something just dawned on me ( abit late I should add ). If you don't have the logs, where did you get the data from to create the summary you posted?

Read this post again. I explained it in there. viewtopic.php?f=18&t=12459&start=15#p121981

Grandpa_01 wrote:Well now I know what has happend to our society. DAMM SCUMBAGS

I think you should change the title of this thread. Obviously your "pretty please" wasn't a true statement of your feelings and now we know how you really feel.

Note to Moderators: When are you going to close this thread? This is a family-rated forum and I don't want my kids/grandkids reading Grantpa's language.

codysluder wrote:

Grandpa_01 wrote:Well now I know what has happend to our society. DAMM SCUMBAGS

I think you should change the title of this thread. Obviously your "pretty please" wasn't a true statement of your feelings and now we know how you really feel.

Note to Moderators: When are you going to close this thread? This is a family-rated forum and I don't want my kids/grandkids reading Grantpa's language.

Just curious but I have used the words (Ass,Damm, & Hell) 2 of which are in the Bible so it must be the word Ass you find offincive.

From the dictonary.
1. a long-eared, slow, patient, sure-footed domesticated mammal, Equus asinus, related to the horse, used chiefly as a beast of burden.
2. any wild species of the genus Equus, as the onager.
3. a stupid, foolish, or stubborn person.

Sorry I offended you

How about this simple question:

There are 307,519 folders today.
If the point credit review were re-opened, how many of those would you be willing to be responsible for fact checking, email responding, and manually re-crediting?

mdk777 wrote:How about this simple question:

There are 307,519 folders today.
If the point credit review were re-opened, how many of those would you be willing to be responsible for fact checking, email responding, and manually re-crediting?

I do not know that that was the best question to ask a business man. I do not have any servers so this will have to be a hypothetical
responce, but from a business point of view.

If my servers went down and I had 307,519 customers and some of them lost part of what was stored on my computer and I wanted to stay in business. I would check every single claim. And that says nothing about what I should do morraly and ethicly.

What would you do.?

mdk777 wrote:There are 307,519 folders today. If the point credit review were re-opened, how many of those would you be willing to be responsible for fact checking, email responding, and manually re-crediting? :?:

This is the core of the current problem. I am sorry some people have lost points due to mistakes on our side. We are working on solutions. I am currently developing a new client. One feature it will support is that the client will keep records of all the units it has completed, indefinitely. There are more details to how the new system will help to guarantee you get your points but I cannot say more than this ATM because the actual implementation is still under discussion.

For the record we do give a rats A$$. We care very much about Folding@Home. The scientific results are the highest priority but the point system and donors which drive the system is very important to us. We would cater to everyone's problems individually if we only had the resources. There are many many active donors so we must solve these problems systematically. Since our software development bandwidth is limited it takes time to implement solutions.

If it feels like your concerns are not being addressed please feel free to make more noise but keep in mind that even though we are not always able to answer every question or solve every problem we are working towards more long term solutions.

jcoffland wrote:

mdk777 wrote:There are 307,519 folders today. If the point credit review were re-opened, how many of those would you be willing to be responsible for fact checking, email responding, and manually re-crediting?

This is the core of the current problem. I am sorry some people have lost points due to mistakes on our side. We are working on solutions. I am currently developing a new client. One feature it will support is that the client will keep records of all the units it has completed, indefinitely.

Thanks for the info that should take care of the problem in the future. HFM does that when it is running it can download all of the info of each completed unit to an excel file.

jcoffland wrote:One feature it will support is that the client will keep records of all the units it has completed, indefinitely.

(I just wonder) That upcoming client will provide any way (except restart) to rotate logs? ((more verbosely) Both the client and the core keep 'FAHlog.txt' open; I believe that 'SIGHUP' will kill them but force reopen; thus restart is the only way; I believe that restart is somewhat dirty for supposed to be instantly running code.) Any comments?

Since when does the core write to fahlog.txt, afaik it doesn't only the client does? Otherwise, nm me

Our team was in the midst of a recruitment contest, with a lot of new folders and folks who turned up their folding a few notches who lost points. Several noted after the points fiasco that the project was poorly-run and we have not seen them since. Sad that a glitch may have cost our team a couple of newborn folders.

The rest of us sucked it up and continued on, but the stats issue did certainly leave a bad taste in our mouths. I accept it because I am not sure there is much more Stanford can do (except to make sure it does not happen again).

If proof is provided of lost points, then there should be a submission process. I would assume this process would take a very long time though, as I am sure most PG folks are busy getting new clients etc. ready.

I often wonder just how much work is lost we do not hear about and have to redo, I lost several thousands points but I am used to missing points been doing this a little bit...