Folding Forum

Indignity wrote:VJ Pande & the rest of the group needs to take a serious look at how WCG is run from top to bottom and consider making some changes. Until then, this project will continue to lose contributors because you are basically telling them that their contribution means nothing. I know because I have slowly regressed in my F@H status because of all of the frustrations & now my equipment is going towards a cause that is very well documented to be doing exactly what they say it is.

codysluder wrote:That's a pretty biased statement.

codysluder wrote:The Pande Group has said that a day's work on a GPU is worth 1500 points. That's not nothing. A days' work on the CPU is worth 110 points.

The only problem here is that you've been getting an inflated number of points and you figure that you're entitled to continue to profit from the bugs in the earlier versions of the core. As these bugs are corrected and more realistic (i.e.-larger) proteins arrive, almost anything can happen, but lower points have been predicted from day one.

codysluder wrote:Perhaps you'd be happier if the development code had remained hidden until a final version is ready to release.

7im wrote: Actually, read the Project News page. Pande Group just published a new paper based on work done by the GPU client. I haven't checked recently, but 60+ published papers is likely more Papers than all the other DC projects combined. That's hardly nothing!!!

News Post about new Paper published with help by GPU client contribution: http://folding.typepad.com/news/2008/12 ... ished.html

After a phone call to Stanford’s Provost and then being referred to one “Richard Zare” I am frankly a bit stunned. The reason for this call was to see if we could get some assistance with our F@H problems.

Within the chain of command at Stanford Professor Pande would be answerable to Professor Zare.

After a very polite phone call I learned a few things everyone should know and consider.

Pande is only responsible to Zare as far as “Ethics” are concerned.

Pande is totally autonomous within the structure of Stanford. Basically, he answers to know one.

All decisions regarding the Folding at home project are the sole responsibility of Pande.

Stanford University takes no responsibility for Pande and or his project, save he do something actually illegal for which they may or might become libel.

How Pande runs his program is of NO INTEREST to Professor Zare or Stanford University.

If the program should fail the entire responsibility will fall on Pande, not Professor Zare and not Stanford University.

Should the entire program fail do to mismanagement, it again falls on Pande, Stanford doesn’t care, and it is not their responsibility.

Professor Zare informed me, “I do know over one million people are involved”. My next question was, “what if they all quit?” The response from Zare was clear “then they quit”. I asked, “Wouldn’t this be a possible publicity nightmare for Stanford” the response “this is Professors Pande’s project and if it fails it fails I think you will find all universities are run this way”

I then commented that Pande had in essence told one of our members that was contributing over 800 computers to “go pound sand”. Professor Zare’s response to that was “exactly, it is Professor Pande’s project and he has that right”.

Keep this in mind; my question about “what if they all quit” was a spontaneous response from me born from my own incredulity because frankly I was a bit shocked. Professor Zare in no way took the question as a threat, he started laughing with me. In fact Professor Zare was a very polite gentleman and chuckled all through this entire conversation and thought at first I was calling about VJ’s forum.

Simply put, Stanford University as per Professor Richard Zare simply doesn’t care if the project works or not.

In the end while Professor Pande uses Stanford University’s name this project is VJ Pande’s project, not Stanford University’s project. This project from day one has belonged to VJ Pande.

Indignity wrote:Seriously, I don't understand what happens to the "old" WUs & why the hell the cores are forever in constant change!!!!

Indignity wrote: **Puts on Tinfoil Cap**

Since it's been voiced that Stanford has absolutely no ownership in this whatsoever, I've been very skeptical that this "Project" is even doing what we all believe it was supposed to be doing. "Canned" answers via PM to people inquiring about proof just further puts that doubt in my head.

Take a look at my contribution & ask me if I was dedicated to F@H. I personally feel that I have been deceived and my personal investment in time & equipment was all for nothing!

Mr. Pande, I hope you are getting everything you want out of this project and will eventually become very wealthy!