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JimboPalmer wrote:Here is a page to check your bonus
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JimboPalmer wrote:Here is a page to check your bonus
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bruce wrote:Heat can ruin your laptop but you have a fan that's supposed to move that heat outside.

Riehnbean wrote:

JimboPalmer wrote:Here is a page to check your bonus
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WUs Finished WUs Expired % Finished Bonus Active
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I know i have to get to 10 first but this is what it says and it says they are finishing. Your thoughts?

JimboPalmer wrote:I am assuming this is a Laptop, and that that is our problem. Nvidia has a technology to use low power Intel GPUs until there is a need for more intensive work, then swapping to a Nvidia GPU.
At first this was called Optimus, but is now called Max-Q, I think.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/te ... echnology/

So you have two GPUs, but only one is active at a time. Worse, the Nvidia GPU is not swapped in until AFTER F@H tries to use it and fails.

06:06:23: GPU 0: Bus:0 Slot:2 Func:0 INTEL:1 CFL GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]
06:06:23: GPU 1: Bus:1 Slot:0 Func:0 NVIDIA:7 TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile /
06:06:23: Max-Q]
06:06:23: CUDA Device 0: Platform:0 Device:0 Bus:1 Slot:0 Compute:7.5 Driver:11.0
06:06:23:OpenCL Device 0: Platform:0 Device:0 Bus:1 Slot:0 Compute:1.2 Driver:446.14
06:06:23:OpenCL Device 1: Platform:1 Device:0 Bus:NA Slot:NA Compute:2.1 Driver:26.20

In my ancient laptop it was a BIOS setting, more recently some have been able to constantly enable the Nvidia GPU in the Nvidia Control Panel. Some folders here have had some luck using MSI Afterburner and altering some setting then minimizing it. Apparently the Nvidia GPU is enable until you close Afterburner.

None of this is obvious or easy. but it is what you are up against, in my opinion.

By the way, you seem to have an older version of the Nvidia driver. This is a more recent version: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/results/170799/

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Neil-B wrote:

Riehnbean wrote:

JimboPalmer wrote:Here is a page to check your bonus
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WUs Finished WUs Expired % Finished Bonus Active
5 0 100.00% False

I know i have to get to 10 first but this is what it says and it says they are finishing. Your thoughts?

There are wus in your logs that are completing .. and some may not yet being counted due to a server issue .. I eould keep an eye on your log from here on and check each wu actually completes properly ... and errors from now on should be easier to troubleshoot ... there may still be things to sort out but trying to untangle your log to date is not particularly easy with the variety of pauses and configuration changes from what I can see ... and the other guy was me ... until the qrb kicks in at 10 WUs the estimates in the log will be overestimates !!

Riehnbean wrote:it would be absolutely amazing if you could give me a basic walkthrough on how to get this all working correctly. The last thing i want to do is start messing with settings and then ruin my laptop. I'd greatly appreciate it.

JimboPalmer wrote:

Riehnbean wrote:it would be absolutely amazing if you could give me a basic walkthrough on how to get this all working correctly. The last thing i want to do is start messing with settings and then ruin my laptop. I'd greatly appreciate it.

I agree it would be amazing, but I have no current laptops with MAX-Q technology. My last was 12 years ago, and was controlled in the BIOS.
Investigate, but make no changes, Search the Nvidia Control Panel for a setting Power Management Mode and set that to that Prefer Maximum Performance. You hope to lock the Laptop to always use the Nvidia GPU* Take screenshots and we can advise you on what to change.

I searched YouTube for a video of the Nvidia Control Panel on Optimus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9wXMHSvssQ Check to see if you have a Preferred Graphics Processor setting and choose the Nvidia.

I hope this helps!

* This will make it noisier and reduce battery life, but it should not fold on Battery.

Neil-B wrote:I'll throw in a final thought before I go to and get some rest ... From my experience the points to be gained from running a laptop cpu slot simply isn't worth the heat it generates .., and not that I am a cpu folder in the main ... basically the gpu is much more productive - you will see that from the estimated points figures from the cpu wus (the ones with 0x22 as part of the line) when the laptop gets too hot the gpu slows down ... now the heat generated by the cpu can actually reduce thyou ought to be running a temperatures monitoring e speed of the gpu enough that it reduces in points more than the cpu gains ... folding both cpu and gpu on laptops needs good laptops, and lots of care/management - either that or a "I don't actually care about my laptop I just want to get as much out of it as I can until I fry it" attitude ... by just running the gpu slot the temperatures can be managed easier.

But when it comes down to it it is your call ... look at the points that each type of wu gives you (0x22 in log lines is gpu, 0xa7 or 0xa8 are cpu wus) you will see the difference in points ... then it is up to you to decide how hot/noisy you want to run you laptop - you ought to be running some temperature monitoring software (at least until you understand you kit and the impact FaH can have on it).

The problem lies with trying to produce basic walkthroughs is there are such a variety of bits of kit, such a variety in styles/patterns of folding and such a variety in the drivers to participate and what people are prepared to pay/put up with that it becomes a somewhat large challenge ... and no one person will know how all the bifferent bits of kit need tweaking/adjusting or each folders decision points.

The forums can help a lot - there is quite a lot of information in the new folders forum ... much of the information on the website re points, passkeys and qrbs is still relatively accurately/relevant ... and google/youtube has a vast wealth of information about tuning/cooling/troubleshooting/managing hardware of all types.

Laptops for the most part are not actually designed to be run hard and by design their cooling is lacking ... this can simply make folding on them a set of compromise choices dependant upon personal limits ... it can take weeks/months to get to the point of understanding kit and how to fold on it well - stick with it and you will end up understanding how it can be pushed to its limits and how to tune it for most production or most efficiency

Neil-B wrote:I'll throw in a final thought before I go to and get some rest ... From my experience the points to be gained from running a laptop cpu slot simply isn't worth the heat it generates .., and not that I am a cpu folder in the main ... basically the gpu is much more productive - you will see that from the estimated points figures from the cpu wus (the ones with 0x22 as part of the line) when the laptop gets too hot the gpu slows down ... now the heat generated by the cpu can actually reduce thyou ought to be running a temperatures monitoring e speed of the gpu enough that it reduces in points more than the cpu gains ... folding both cpu and gpu on laptops needs good laptops, and lots of care/management - either that or a "I don't actually care about my laptop I just want to get as much out of it as I can until I fry it" attitude ... by just running the gpu slot the temperatures can be managed easier.

But when it comes down to it it is your call ... look at the points that each type of wu gives you (0x22 in log lines is gpu, 0xa7 or 0xa8 are cpu wus) you will see the difference in points ... then it is up to you to decide how hot/noisy you want to run you laptop - you ought to be running some temperature monitoring software (at least until you understand you kit and the impact FaH can have on it).

The problem lies with trying to produce basic walkthroughs is there are such a variety of bits of kit, such a variety in styles/patterns of folding and such a variety in the drivers to participate and what people are prepared to pay/put up with that it becomes a somewhat large challenge ... and no one person will know how all the bifferent bits of kit need tweaking/adjusting or each folders decision points.

The forums can help a lot - there is quite a lot of information in the new folders forum ... much of the information on the website re points, passkeys and qrbs is still relatively accurately/relevant ... and google/youtube has a vast wealth of information about tuning/cooling/troubleshooting/managing hardware of all types.

Laptops for the most part are not actually designed to be run hard and by design their cooling is lacking ... this can simply make folding on them a set of compromise choices dependant upon personal limits ... it can take weeks/months to get to the point of understanding kit and how to fold on it well - stick with it and you will end up understanding how it can be pushed to its limits and how to tune it for most production or most efficiency

Riehnbean wrote: whats a good temp gauge program for a laptop?

JimboPalmer wrote:

Riehnbean wrote: whats a good temp gauge program for a laptop?

There are any number of them but the one I use most often is Speccy, it will measure CPU, Motherboard, GPU, and Disc temps if available.
https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy