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Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:05 pm
by gwildperson
So you're saying that the first one of these will work and the second will not. Do I understand you correctly?
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C:\Users\Me>ping assign.stanford.edu
Pinging vsp10v-vz00.stanford.edu [171.67.108.200] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Ping statistics for 171.67.108.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 22ms, Maximum = 22ms, Average = 22ms
C:\Users\Me>ping 171.67.108.200
Pinging 171.67.108.200 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=52
Reply from 171.67.108.200: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=52
Ping statistics for 171.67.108.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 22ms, Maximum = 23ms, Average = 22ms
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:21 pm
by HaloJones
My point about trying IBM was specifically aimed at seeing a browser picture of what happens if you enter
http://129.42.58.216 in your address bar.
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:45 am
by bruce
I think I understand gwildperson's question. Let me translate it to a slightly different situation.
Can you open either
http://171.64.65.102 or
http://vspg2v2.stanford.edu or both?
Can you ping either
171.64.65.102 or
vspg2v2.stanford.edu or both?
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:54 pm
by AtwaterFS
DNS is not black magic - it works for the rest of the Internet...
In this guy's case easiest thing would be to find a VPN to an unfiltered network that can be kept alive indefinitely
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:09 pm
by gwildperson
AtwaterFS wrote:DNS is not black magic - it works for the rest of the Internet...
In this guy's case easiest thing would be to find a VPN to an unfiltered network that can be kept alive indefinitely
Yep. And he get in trouble for violating that country's laws that attempt to protect citizens from the dangers of exposure to certain aspects of foreign culture.
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:09 am
by owned66
P5-133XL wrote:I must be missing something. How does brienposey.com equate to
http://www.ibm.com?
And then you didn't show a picture of your browser when you put the ip address in.
So how is what you showed have anything to do with what would show using the requested process?
You see I have a real problem with the concept that the isp blocks all ip traffic other than urls. URL's are only used at the very start of the process. You put a URL in the address box, then the browser (using direct IP traffic) will go to a DNS server to decode the URL into an IP address. After that point, the browser uses IP addresses exclusively. To block all IP traffic other than URL's implies blocking all IP traffic other than DNS requests. So they have to be doing something other than blocking all direct IP traffic.
I wonder what happens if you replace the authorized DNS servers in your connection with something like openDNS's IP addresses?
on that pic was just giving an example on what i see i was too lazy to upload a pic then post
and this is what i see when i go into ANY numeric address
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:58 am
by owned66
bruce wrote:I think I understand gwildperson's question. Let me translate it to a slightly different situation.
Can you open either
http://171.64.65.102 or
http://vspg2v2.stanford.edu or both?
Can you ping either
171.64.65.102 or
vspg2v2.stanford.edu or both?
i cant enter
http://171.64.65.102
but i can enter
http://vspg2v2.stanford.edu
i can ping 171.64.65.102
i can ping vspg2v2.stanford.edu
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:59 am
by owned66
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:50 am
by P5-133XL
That was a question I asked earlier only with OpenDNS rather than googleDNS --
P5-133XL wrote:
I wonder what happens if you replace the authorized DNS servers in your connection with something like openDNS's IP addresses?
Depending upon the software that the ISP installed, there might be issues with the
hosts file too for it can take precedence over the DNS server.
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:26 am
by owned66
P5-133XL wrote:That was a question I asked earlier only with OpenDNS rather than googleDNS --
P5-133XL wrote:
I wonder what happens if you replace the authorized DNS servers in your connection with something like openDNS's IP addresses?
Depending upon the software that the ISP installed, there might be issues with the
hosts file too for it can take precedence over the DNS server.
tried it didnt do ****
i guess ill have to use a vpn that shuts down every 6 hours OR F@H makes a proxy server for us
(i tried free proxy which worked but it expires every 2 hours)
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:07 pm
by 7im
You need not have a constant connection with stanford. Only to download a new WU, and to upload a completed WU.
Surely there is a way to refresh a VPN connection when needed. Sorry, I don't have a lot of experience with VPNs.
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:40 pm
by owned66
7im wrote:You need not have a constant connection with stanford. Only to download a new WU, and to upload a completed WU.
Surely there is a way to refresh a VPN connection when needed. Sorry, I don't have a lot of experience with VPNs.
you are right but my gtx 480 finishes WU every 1hr and 30 min
and i run my pc 24 hour soo :\
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:31 pm
by toTOW
You'll probably have to go to paid VPN services to get a good quality connection ...
Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:53 pm
by Qinsp
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Re: ISP blocks !
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:14 pm
by toTOW
It wouldn't help : the FAH client doesn't access to domains ... it directly accesses IP addresses which seems to be forbidden for owned66.
There is not need to argue about the possible solutions since there are only two :
- to use of a proxy (which uses an url and not an IP address)
- to use a VPN (which also allow access by url and not IP address)
Here is a good place to start to choose a VPN provider :
http://www.start-vpn.com/ (you'll find a huge list of providers and some tests and user opinions).