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by MtM
Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:40 am
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

http://i44.tinypic.com/119zc61.png makes things easier to visualize. Saying 'flat line' when it will be a jigsaw confused me. As I said I didn't feel like putting the formula in a spreadsheet right then so I have to take your data for facts. It would be easier to replace the line graph with a bar c...
by MtM
Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:22 am
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

MtM I can only speak for the team I used to fold for. People that bought the latest and greatest graphic cards or cpu's did not buy them for F@H as the one and only reason they made the purchase. Most are gamers and the others need them for work. F@H is a second or third thought, if at all. To base...
by MtM
Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:38 am
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

@vbironchef, that's one part of the game, the other part is the amount of people who use points to correlate them to science completed. Participation is something which is more important to the one, science is more important to the other. We tried using polls to get answers to which group supporting...
by MtM
Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:20 am
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

@mdk777 Well what we want to achieve is preventing the need to display the ppd/total credit using a factor. Nothing more nothing less, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how to fix that without normalizing the ppd, which in effect would normalize the totals ( not entirely, as totals will eventual...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:14 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

Mdk I'm with you, I like seeing the millions ppd some are making :!: But in 5 years, what will they be making? Can you imagine needing a dual monitor setup to read EOC stats because the credit and ppd fields have become so wide the entire content can't fit on one screen. I initially said: what's wro...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:36 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

@K1w1 The second part is easier when you do the base ppd first, would be so even only because bonus is relative to base. Maybe people will drop their unfounded objections against an exponential QRB when the bonus would be smaller in absolute term? Btw, do I need to quote your above post and then go ...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:20 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

I would rather not, because you're using participation as factor instead of sience, but if would keep more people happy, I wouldn't mind at all. What you would run in to though, is that no new folder would pay for a system a ( cheap ba?) because you as 20y folder running some cheaper gpu's will stil...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:07 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

@ MtM, I'm sorry I confused you. Simplify my quote to "I think each WU has a scientific value and that value should remain constant." Exponential bonuses are unsustainable. That's why I came up with an alternative. For the record, I'm opposed to my own alternative. Plug the formula into E...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:40 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

K1w1; You made posts which were very conceptual but not devided between your attack on the exponential QRB part and the part about dealing with the hockeystick effect caused by exponential increases in computation power, I can't find any unaltered post where you suggest using computational speed bef...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:32 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

Kiwi, you openened with this: Its pretty obvious that there is an ongoing issue regarding the PPD bonus system etc, and while there has been a lot of hypothesis about how points should be awarded etc, I was wondering whether I might suggest an option that will help alleviate the problems associated ...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:17 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

One other option to consider is a seniority multiplier. The objective is to keep people folding for the long term, right? Pensions used to have vesting schedules that encouraged employee loyalty. (outlawed due to personal liberty and the desire to make changing jobs easier rather than harder in a m...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:14 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

Your first quote is confusing if one does exponentially more science, one should get exponentially more ppd. If one does the same science, they should get the same amount, not less. The current QRB steepens the curve way too much. That's how I see it. 1. if one does exponentially more science, one s...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:42 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Folding and HP Cloud Service
Replies: 40
Views: 13602

Re: Folding and HP Cloud Service

Yeah as I said, no action can be taken unless PG/HP comes with an official statement about it... even though this does seem to violate what HP has said in the mail posted ( see the thread linked above ). I to feel it's not fair to be passed by someone with a big mouth ( see the thread again ) who ha...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:22 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Suggested Change to the PPD System
Replies: 244
Views: 63740

Re: Suggested Change to the PPD System

Suppose you do change the benchmark machine to be more representative of BA hardware. Stanford is going to still need to use the top 10% of the hardware to study some small fraction of the initial simulation of whatever projects they'll be working on next year which cannot be completed within the l...
by MtM
Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:48 pm
Forum: Discussions of General-FAH topics
Topic: Folding and HP Cloud Service
Replies: 40
Views: 13602

Re: Folding and HP Cloud Service

Getting passed and getting blown out of the water is the exact same thing, it just feels different.

I'm really surprised people actually post that their leaving because they envy those who can do more science.